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@iamsteve
right you shit bags! ive used rim tape and it works a treat. i suppose we arnt born with this knowledge and you have to learn somehow. concerning rim tape moving round the rim. just stick the valve through the valve hole and it holds it in place.
anyhow thanks for all the helpful information and sympathetic comments/images. I love this forum its such a great resource for unhelpful bullshit!
word to all your mothers.