• I really appreciate your help CrazyJames.

    dumbbells? it's just that I've built up a pretty good set of York barbells and discs. part gumtree part argos, got a nice adjustable bench too. whole kit cost me less than two months of the gym membership I had before. wouldn't cost much to get a wide barbell of course, but I live in a cramped rented flat, I just see myself ruining the floor and knocking stuff over. I liked dumbells much better than machines and barbells even when I was in the gym anyhow, for all the reasons mentioned before in this thread I guess.

    OK, standing military press it is then. any suggestions as to what I should add to that? I realize I've at some point or another done all of the stuff the youtube weirdo gets up to. as far as dumbbell exercises for the back go he does dumbbell rows, dumbbell pullovers and bent over dumbbell rows. are any of those good to add to military press for a complete back routine?

    I take the hint, I should brush up on the terminology a bit. :-) funnily enough it was my mum who taught me the seated overhead dumbell press, I just never knew the name.

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