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thanks - for all the info. i'm guessing i'm hearing what i suspected (it was a bit of a pipe dream anyway) alluminium is too tricky to mess with and steel is going to be too heavy. i've done the odd modification of crash bent bars by getiing my foot in behind one drop and yanking on the other - i wouldn't do it again as a potential slipped disc isn't going to help the riding at all. i know an engineers shop round here i might ask just to put in a couple of msall kinks to widen the flair on some bars i have. or i'll have a bash myself with some of the cheapo items i've got - i'll keep you posted.
does anyone know where a i can get ranndoneurs with a backward (nitto noodle style ) sweep on the top and slighty larger sloping flair than say GB randonneurs - and possibly a deeper drop.