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Dinged, not necessarily crashed...
But, $900 (including shipping and tax) for a second hand, dinged frame and forks?
You're into custom Mercian territory!
I know which I'd go for.
That's your choice. If you were to find a keirin frame in the exact geometry that was right for you, the quality of the keirin frame would be as good, if not better, than a custom made Mercian. Something like a 3Rensho or Nagasawa for example. A Bridgestone or Panasonic wouldn't but they are normally had for a considerably lower price than $900.
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I agree with everyone above. I got mine from a guy in New York who had bought it from Gabe. I got stung big time on the tax, something like €160 to Ireland, wasn't quite expecting that much. In saying that it was eventualy worth it, they do cost a lot for an old frame but I really love mine, it's a 3Rensho and it was a once in a lifetime buy I think, wouldn't really spend that much on a frame again, mind you if money was no option I'd have a fuckin army of them! Stunningly built. njsframes.blogspot are very good too, Rene there is very responsive, that's where I bought various bits like stem, pedals, seat post etc.
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the tubing they use isn't all that special either most of it is standard .8-.5 cr-mo that isn't heat treated so not much different from reynolds 520 unless you get the top of the range columbus or kaisei
i appreciate the workmanship but they are not any better than european/american frames IMHO -
Isn't those Keirin frame are also thinner than usual? making them more prone to dent?
no .8-.5mm is similar to old 531 and cheaper tubesets available today.
(spec used from kaisei cr-mo19 wall thickness from the bomber pro website)
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Isn't those Keirin frame are also thinner than usual? making them more prone to dent?
no.
753 is 0.3mm thick (the unbutted section). Keirin frames are no way that thin.
the beauty of any really well made, hand produced frame is in the craftsmanship as much as the builder's skill and ability to work with the materials.
They are made, not manufactured.
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Dinged, not necessarily crashed...
But, $900 (including shipping and tax) for a second hand, dinged frame and forks?
You're into custom Mercian territory!
I know which I'd go for.
I was under the impression that most second-hand keiren frames being sold via njsblogspot etc. had been crashed. And that is due to not being allowed to race a frame that has been in a crash, even a small crash.
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It means they have been involved in a crash. The worst frames get cut up into bits and the dinged ones get sold for quite a discounted price but every frame involved in the crash is retired. Even one which was left completely unmarked by the crash. These are the ones which command a high premium. Another outlet is http://njsframes.blogspot.com/ They sell retired frames which have been restored (usually by a different builder a la the many Makino branded 3renshos) and are pricey but effectively brand new.
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Something like a 3Rensho or Nagasawa for example.
Good luck finding a Nag or a 3Rensho for $900 delivered to the UK with tax!
Don't get me wrong, I love japanese frames (I've got an Umezawa), but the prices they command these days is crazy. I'd definitely rather spend £600 on a custom Mercian, but that's just me.
And my bad on my 'dinged not necessarily crashed comment' - I was wrong!
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Good luck finding a Nag or a 3Rensho for $900 delivered to the UK with tax!
Don't get me wrong, I love japanese frames (I've got an Umezawa), but the prices they command these days is crazy. I'd definitely rather spend £600 on a custom Mercian, but that's just me.
And my bad on my 'dinged not necessarily crashed comment' - I was wrong!
actually you aren't wrong.
a handlebar ding on an njs racing bike means they have to retire that bike.
and that can happen outside of a crash.
basically any damage, or potential damage, means they pull the bike, to prevent loss of NJS accreditation like Vivalo had happen.
incidentally vivalos are your best bet for uncrashed frames atm as lots were retired after the fork incident. -
****_does this exist/???
*NJS ! 17 tooth 1/2_1/8 cog
or , im looking for a silver cog that is a good price but is really quite and smooth ...
i have a nice chain and i want to have a sound set_up/.
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thanks' !!!!!! ("!") i looked all over
http://njsframes.blogspot.com but couldnt' find any/..
cant find a 17 ... umm, is their such thing as an NJS 130 bcd chain_ring/? or are all NJS 144/?
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....it's at the bottom left, under 'cogs', funnily enough
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no 17 cog on NJS EXPORT , i mean... o wait one ugly one on the bottom...ur right , thanks' pista'nator/ ..
such thing as a 130bcd NJS chain_ring/?
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i was thinking of going through these guys
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=310145987575
want a panasonic in a 52cm..
anyone purchased through them before?
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dang _. that bike has nice "detail" (lugs &seat_post-clamp) /. way nicer' than my dvd player . ..
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It means they have been involved in a crash. The worst frames get cut up into bits and the dinged ones get sold for quite a discounted price but every frame involved in the crash is retired. Even one which was left completely unmarked by the crash. These are the ones which command a high premium. Another outlet is http://njsframes.blogspot.com/ They sell retired frames which have been restored (usually by a different builder a la the many Makino branded 3renshos) and are pricey but effectively brand new.