Rear Hub Issue attaching to bike

I am trying to put a rear wheel on a bike. Have done it 1,000,000 times before but this one seems a bit tricky and has defeated me currently. When I tighten the track nuts the whole wheel shifts forward even though I have carboard between the wheel and the seat tube to keep the wheel correctly positioned and the chain tight. The movement of the track nut drags the wheel bottom bracket wards and loosens the chain.

It seems like the track nuts are not gripping the dropouts correctly and shifting when i tighten my nuts. They are normal DA hubs and DA track nuts ?

Anyone ?

I have a similar problem. It's because my nuts are rusty, and the integrated washer does not spin freely. Solution is to buy some new nuts, but I haven't got around to it yet.

hey julian - try tightening them one at time, little by little.

hi renan

went through all my skill range last night
drive side first then non drive
non drive then drive
little bit one side little bit the other
even oiled my nuts to make them spin freer
even switched my nuts over left to right and right to left
nothing did it the last bit always seems to drag it a few mill killing my chain tightness and moving it off centre

i think the new track nuts idea might just work who does dura ace track nuts in london shop 14 ? brick lane ? cavendish ?

try jamming something else in bewteen the wheel and the frame.
i've been using a small plastic water bottle just a bit empty to force the wheel back.
let a little of the air out as needed then wedge it in, tighten bolts, check chain, final tighten.
julian - stuck a few of the photos up of our adventure to the stones, see your original post.

try making it forcefully sit in the dropouts - use a tennis ball instead of cardboard? if there isn't enough surface friction, try using jagged-type washer with more friction, i forget what their called but you find similar ones on the axles of front and rear brakes. you get them integrated with most nuts.

or maybe try tightening them both at the same time? - your chain tension ain't too tight is it?

the cardboard is ram jammed right in the gap it feels like it isn't physically possible for the wheel to move but the little fecker keeps on moving forwards just a few mill but enough it is way better than a tennis ball / water bottle loads of force and hands free

both at the same time that would drag one backwards and one forward making it even more out of line ?

hi steve cool am looking forard to seeing those piccies my work computer has a fire wall for flickr so will have to do it from home later

hope you and the van and the gang got home ok not to much queueing on the way out ?

If the drpoout are not straight it could move the wheel in relation to the frame when you tighten

maybe buy some chaintighten things? (cant remember the english name for it)

get some tug bolts

semi horizontal drops sadly
woul;d chain tugs still work ?
the force is so high that when i tighten the nuts not really much would hold it in place not even superman !
anyone know where i can get track nuts tonight ?

i've got loads mate, i can pop over a bit later if ya want

Are you using washers? And is the hubside locknut the proper grippy type or has it been replaced with something slippery?

Is the frame/dropouts bent at all?

Try using a spanner on each side simultaneuously.

Dirty arse method: Sit on floor behind bike when you do up the wheel, with your feet on the pedals at 12 & 6 o'clock. Push on pedals whilst pulling on the wheel. Do up nut with other hand, then swap hands keeping the tension on the wheel. Works a treat.

I got a similiar problem now after my hub was stripped and regreased. Just figured grease had gotten somewhere where it shouldn't be...or something. reading this i might just inspect my tracknuts and washers...

I tend to do the nuts up one side at a time. Generally:

Pull non-drive side as far back as it will go, crank the bolt.

Then press on the rim to move the drive side bolt to the correct place. Crank the bolt.

Loosen the non-drive side, straighten the wheel and re-tighten.

(sorry that it's a slightly poor explanation)