New edgy thread

@plurabelle up there ^^^^

wrong and right.

right.
my view on it doesnt change what is "true".

wrong.
but true is still true whatever tint glasses we look at it through - quantum physics, biology, religion, illogic/logic, faith, not giving a shit - it doesnt matter. everything will still be what it is regardless of our consciousness. even if everything is actually a big whirling mess of nonsense and snakes. if thats what it is, then so be it. though i dont see it that way and i guess you dont either.

whatever "is" is; be that the objective reality which i see or believe in or whatever, or a subjective reality which you propose; my view on it, nor yours, nor the whole population of the worlds views, do not change what "is" is in actuality. a pot of salt, which is green, for example. like i touched on earlier, the language which we use to describe things may be different from the reality, but the reality is still the reality.

3 blind men and an elephant....

'True is still true' assumes that there is 'a' truth, though, let alone whether or not it's knowable. You just keep asserting that reality 'is' – a common-sense position which isn't much fun in these sorts of arguments.

I have been careful not to propose anything like a 'subjective reality' – my point is just that it is not self-evident that there is an objective one.

Yes, I am a 'lady'. Which doesn't exempt me from alpha-male posturing, I don't think. I am just waving a Freudian lack-of-willy instead of a real one :(