• bbq doesn't start until 2pm, so depending on the route, pace of the ride, and how long people wanted to kick a ball about for, it wouldn't be hideously difficult to merge the two things, and the bbq should be going all night long so there should be no worries about rolling up later...

    exactly... sounds like a plan and I can make the 19th

    50 miles, say 4 hours riding time (at least 2 dicking around) start at 10 and roll into the bbq once it's gotten going.. get smashed go home... top

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