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Mmm a frame building course does sound very tempting, obviously unrealistic at the moment (due to age/funds etc) i shall keep that in mind :) and ive got 2 lathes in my (dads) workshop among other things so i was going to have a go at machining a few bits and bobs (not for bikes) but getting experience there would help me get a step up to milling :) which ive always wanted to do!