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When you get to the stage of comparing bikes with steep angles, tight clearances, short wheelbases, and skinny tyres, it gets pretty subjective and can only really be compared after riding and getting used to a particular frame, I like mine ('84 Moser) cuz it fits me, rides well and looks the nuts. Having said that 95% of class on the track is due to the rider, not the bike - I could ride a custom Koga, Look or Lotus Machine, and Hoy would piss all over me on a Unipack if he were so inclined.
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Hoy would piss all over me on a Unipack if he were so inclined.
Only if the chain held out!
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The best geometry is purple.
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this is a silly question IMO. frame geometry is quite complex and even slight differences can change the handling of a whole bike very noticeably. beyond that, i assume that you're talking about riding track frames on the street? i doubt many track racers are arsed about 'flickability', whatever that is. The main thing for an athlete would be fit, so that the bike allows for maximum transmission of the riders exertion. Therefore the best geometry is different for literally every rider. If on the other hand you just want something that looks tight for your own aesthetic kicks then fair play, but that isn't necessarily best.
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euclidean geometry is the best geometry for a track frame.
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..the riders excursion..
why? is he on a day out to margate?!?
all this exertion has worn me out, going for a fag
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excursion! oops. you know what i meant you slag.
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I reckon mine does. The rest of you are losers. Ha!
I am with Andy here, Mine wins hands down
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I am with Andy here, Mine wins hands down
You mean fiddy's? ;)
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I really like the geo of my Planet X Carbon Pro Track BlaBla Ding Dong... it feels just right for road riding.. Also the carbon makes it pretty forgiving.
Funny thing, now that I have gotten used to riding track frames on the road... My Fondreist roadbike feels really sluggish.. But I guess it is nicer for longer rides anyway.
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In terms of handling, is there really that much difference between proper track geometry frames? Say, like between a Fuji Track and a Bianchi Pista for example? Or any other true track geometry frames out there (so discount, Langsters, Surly Steamrollers, etc. etc.), which would you say had perfected their geometry in terms of flickable, responsive, handling without being overly twitchy? Cheers.
For a confident flickable sensation as though the bike is directly under your ass and is turning on rails: Short chainstays.
For a fast handling in that the bike responds very sensitively to your weight shifts: Steep headtube angle
if you want a stable bike that works well at low speeds and still is very fun (not quick, but flickable) to handle, you sould look for a bike with relatively relaxed geometry and a short chainstay. You'll need to find the right gear ratio which allows you to run the shortest chain length you can.
Also raising the handle bars (riser bars), and getting short stem (MTB/BMX style) puts your weight over the back wheel can increase the "flickable" sensation.
True track bikes have very steep angles don't come into their own until you get to higher speeds and are relatively twitchy at lower speeds.
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In terms of handling, is there really that much difference between proper track geometry frames? Say, like between a Fuji Track and a Bianchi Pista for example? Or any other true track geometry frames out there (so discount, Langsters, Surly Steamrollers, etc. etc.), which would you say had perfected their geometry in terms of flickable, responsive, handling without being overly twitchy? Cheers.