I never once dissed the steamroller Em, 4130 is the mutts nutts, all I was saying was I hadn't personally ridden with anyone or knew of people that had thrashed them in the same way as plugs/cutters, Ted for instance had a plug frame for nearly 2 years that he never broke, whilst snapping and destroying loads of other stuff in the process, and I don't know many people that go as big as he does on fixed.
I really like plugs/cutters and I really like surlys, my one and only point was to say that frames like BLB's own brand, and bob jackson are just as strong as the above 3 frames was ridiculous.
I know, I was just being an inflamatory cunt.