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How is it the car manufacturer's fault when the drivers lazily ignore health and safety by using a coat hanger to secure his door?
Althought I realise I misunderstood Dave when he said that motorised vehicle should take extra responsiblities when driving than cyclists (stupidly tired that night) since the motorised vehicle pose a bigger danger to peds and cyclists, but I still believe that cyclists should bear the same responsiblities on the road as everyone else.