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@muleboy
very true. The term 'slack' when referring to geometry actually came about when a UK frame builder (i'm not going to mention their name) got quite drunk the night before he was due to ship off a batch of frames which he had not completed building. In his drunken state he quickly assembled the frames without paying attention to tube length etc. When his co worked found out he said 'oh blud you are slack' and thats where 'slack' geometry comes from
fact.