• I think VB ought not to be covering the costs himnself, i think we all agree on that. If there are profits from a scheme like this, maybe they could be used for charitable ends? I for one would like to see money supporting people who have been maimed on our roads cycling, or the families/dependents of those killed being supported in some small way.

    My suggestion, to ask for a sub rather than donations was in the thread discussing possible rules for selling stuff, was aimed at trying to make sure dealers and people who sell a LOT of stuff do contribute to the running of the servers. I hope that sellers can accept that with grace. A one-off per annum payment isn't exactly going to break the bank compared to eBay fees, which are per sale. But Illy's point that maybe selling stuff ought to be charged per item or percent of sale value is also valid, even if its hard to conceive of how it will work. However it's worth noting that only eBay auctions that DO sell are charged, whereas we're discussing the possibility of charging to start threads, for stuff which may not sell. It could be too much of a difficult area to get into. Perhaps a flat fee for all thread-starting is the way forward for reasons of simplicity.

    I think a 'gold member' status for other 'priveleges' would be worth doing, as someone suggested, the idea of cometitions might be cool. It would make this place a sort of club, which migh not be a bad thing, and might give us the impetus to work harder at attrcting new and valid members ourselves, rather than just waiting for them to materialise out of the googlesphere. I think those who've mentioned being put off joining if there was a fee are being a bit whiney to be frank. I reckon if you value this forum you can support it. I think if you want to ask stuff on threads you should be able to. But making out that its some inalienable right to do this for free is bunk. This is not Another Forum. Its special. Seriously special. If newcomers are able to see that, by contributing, maybe joing events or rides or track meets or polo or whatever, they'll soon start to want to give the money, whether they have things to sell or not. Its a fantastic place.

    By the way, as I came up with it I think I don't have to pay. (big fuck off wink 'emo-ti-con')

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