What would you do if the forum had a subscription fee (to post classifieds, etc)?

I think the whole "god is nice to all the little children and the poor and watches over you as you sleep to make sure you are safe" version of god is fairly recent, maybe Victorian or pre-Victorian, but if you read the two salient books in their entirety (rather than a selection of passages that meet our modern liberal views) the Judeo-Christian deity is a proper fucking monster. Yahweh is an accomplished cunt. Slavery, murder, genocide, patricide, peadocide (have I made up a word ?) fratricide, blood sacrifice, rape . . . all approved - and even demanded by - the Christian god.

It seems around the time of the Victorians they got him mixed up with Santa Claus.

Oh god, look what you have done, there I go again with my distaste for superstition, I should really stop.

again your probably right :)