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  • Fair enough, I can see where youre all coming from. It seems completely logical that the top tube angle and height of head tube bears no influence on HT ST angles and therefore no effect on handling of the frame. The reason for this whole thread is because I presented my idea to a shop that provides custom built frames only to be told in the most matter of fact way that what I'm asking for will simply not work. It sounded stupid to me too and made no sense, so I thought the people on this forum would set me right, and you have. thanks.

    FFS....

    You've just shown examples of the very thing you're asking if it's possible to achieve!

    Not quite, the original illustration at the start of the thread has a taller head tube. I was told against my better assumption that extending the height of the head tube and relaxing the angle of the top tube would produce a crappy ride.

    someone with 20,000+ posts says no.....you may want to question how serious they're being. :)

    Hippys response and my gratitude were both kinda tongue in cheek

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