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@slowstephen
i was in nyc last week and went up to see ezra, he took me round his workshop and we talked bikes for about 3 hours, then a friend of his came to pick up a ss bike he had just finished..... to cut a long story short i took the bike out for a shortish spin, white industries drive train and hubs....... amazing i did not realise the difference, being use to shimano....... does anyone here ride white ? unfortunately i am going to have to sell all my bike to get a fast boy