• @ Ebenzo: i second the vote for the Potenza. Excellent parts spec, handsome respectable frame. I'm not looking at your original post as I type this, but a few things stuck out to me. First, don't pay attention to the closeness of the tire to the seat tube. It's "adjustable" on all of the frames you mentioned by just adding (or subtracting) a link in the chain (for example), and plus, most of us attempt to get it as close as possible for a "snapppier" bike in traffic and such anyway.

    Second, don't pay attention to the way the bike looks. Chances are you aren't really sure what constitutes a good looking bike yet anyway. The chain is colored to stand out help sell the bike, and the reality is that a good looking bike has no one aspect that stands out (especially the chain). I'm not trying to be a condescending dick, just saying that you shouldn't be thinking about the looks because if you are, you're simply being manipulated in the price range.

    @ GA2G: he didn't get it yet. keep encouraging him.

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