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  • yeah, my bad.
    rechecked my notes. I manage about 60 grams average a day at the mo.

    to go beyond that I am curious about powders. of course for example two pints of milk and two chicken breasts every day and we be getting somewhere, but there are always those crappy food days that drags it all down again...

    er, what makes anyone think I'd bother starting this thread as well as anally go trough my diet if I wasn't already lifting weights?
    that said, all responses are much appreciated ;-)

    Frankly that is a laughable amount of protein to promote any kind of muscle gains no matter what your weight! To give you an idea how much I used to consume, when aiming for maximum strength (and as a pleasant side effect muscle mass) as a power lifter, I consumed 220-280g of protein a day, approximately 30% of this was shakes and the rest from whole foods, I think someone earlier hit the nail on the head when they basically said what I always say to people starting out in weight training, supplements and supplements alone, will not improve your gains, TRAINING AND DIET FIRST!
    Supplements have their place, don't get me wrong, but think of them as the icing on the cake, and not the cake itself, there are several different body types, which describe peoples predispositions when it comes to gaining weight/muscle mass, endomorphic, mesomorphic, and ectomorphic, but all of these terms and descriptions are redundant until you have a proper training and diet regime in place to determine how your body reacts under the best possible circumstances first. Do yourself a massive favour, spend the money you were going to spend on protein shakes on seeing a proper sports nutritionist and/or seeking advice on your training regime, explaining to them your goals and aims, but first you need to get yourself on a reasonable diet and into a regular training regime.
    By the way I say all this not as the strongest person in the world, but as someone who got somewhere from almost nothing, within three years of wasting away to almost nothing in hospital and coming out a broken man, I was not only walking again, but deadlifting 200kg, squatting 160kg for reps, and benching 120kg, I only really took a break from "serious" lifting summer last year, but I did a couple of amateur comps, and knew a lot of competing powerlifters and athletes at the two gyms I used to train at.
    There has been a lot of rubbish stated on this thread about whats right and wrong, with only a few truths thrown in there, firstly diet:
    I don't know what your aims/goals are but here is an example of my typical diet back when I was training hard and aiming for maximum strength:

    30 minutes Pre-breakfast: Whey protein isolate shake 24g of protein

    Breakfast: Fruit and fibre with approximately a pint of milk, with powdered milk sprinkled on top for added protein, approximately 25-30g of protein, milk offers a combination of whey protein and casein protein which works great as you get both fast (whey) and slow (casein) release proteins so you get a sudden burst of amino acids into your system and a nice steady release from the casein.

    2-3 hours post breakfast (approx 1-2 hours pre lunch): whey protein isolate shake 24g of protein

    Lunch: chicken and bacon pasta salad, normally comprising of two chicken breasts and 1-2 rashers of bacon with whole wheat pasta and mixed salad: approximately 60-75g of protein

    2 hours post lunch: whey protein isolate shake 24g of protein

    Dinner: whatever was going, I used to do my best to hit a target of around 60g of protein though as a minimum, carbs were reduced or increased accordingly at this time of day depending on whether or not this was a post workout meal or just a normal meal, increased heavily for post workout and decreased if a normal meal, you simply do not need much in the way of carbs at night time.

    2-3 hours post dinner 300g of tesco cottage cheese with onion and chives (approximately 35g protein count) as it is pretty much pure casein protein which is ideal for night time consumption as it provides a slow digesting protein to prevent muscle catabolism in your sleep.

    I would skip out the first two protein shakes of the day sometimes, Hell..sometimes I would skip out the shakes all together if I forgot to prepare them for work in the morning, and just go for a bigger breakfast just because I was a greedy cunt ;). This is just an example of my diet, in all meals where there are carbs and protein I am careful to maintain a 2-1 carb to protein ratio, as this is essential and highly effective for enhancing protein absorption, also...all carbs are intentionally Low GI unless I am consuming them post workout, in which case pass me that sugary shit bitch! Notice a lack of fat in most of these meals, if a meal was particularly low fat, I used to add some healthy fats in the form of pumpkin seed oil, or Olive oil to the meal (my typical lunch for instance). Oh yeah and all milk consumed was skimmed milk, apart from the powdered shit. Hope all that is of some help.

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