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@pajamas
i don't suppose I could de"rail" this slightly by asking if anyone has a saddle they've done a happy and more or less pain-free 60+ miles on? At the moment sore seat bones and ass pain are the only things hampering my long rides and I'd like to do the Dunwich ride this year without being in agony. Is it all about the air flow cutout? Has gel got something to do with it? I ride an old, worn, leather Bio Turbo which has been the best I've ridden on for ages but, as I say, gives me nuff gip once I've been riding for a couple of hours..