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@stormalx
ed - for sure, see what you are saying. but what's the use in an ali frame with heavy rims and brakes? and to be honest brakes weigh fuck all, my campy brakes are seriously light!
rims can make a big difference, as in changing from an old racer with steel rims to new rims. otherwise i fail to see where the difference comes from. I can only say to prospective OTP buyers get a pista not a langster... Even if the frames are similar, that weight difference means the Langster must have shittly components compared to the pista...