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@Velocio
I don't get internet arguments.
Regardless of what camp you fall into I very much doubt that if you have aligned yourself with a camp that you're in any way open to having your opinion or views changed, yet that is precisely what you expect of the other camp.
And very generally, all those who argue do so from the greys between the polar extremes, so it's all very subjective and communicating clearly the issues involved is the key to having a hope in hell of achieving the impossible (changing someone's views).
And here we are in this challenging medium, deprived of smiles, body language, tone, tempo, volume and all of the other subtleties of face to face communication... and yet this is the arena in which you choose to participate in debate? Crazy stuff.
When you all get so silly (and let's face it, arguing on the internet is silly) the only thing to be done is to take the piss out of you all. Or to post caturday images.