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@Dangeruss
right... we might be able to do something cunning tonight then.... i'll have that ring, and i'm getting a new one on a set of cranks to run instead, think i've got all the tools to swap it all over apart from a big adjustable spanner to use with my crank extractor, if you can bring one of those (big spanner) and if my new cranks are there then we might be able to sort it tonight.....