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@reeen
thanx GA2G, well i am looking out for one of those 13mm chains actually, specially the prices with lock in combo seem so much more my lane than a weeker kryp_fugh for way over 100quit. my bike is not that valuable, though customized with love and time, it makes me want a good chain/lock to keep it.
i now have this http://www.bikesyoulike.co.uk/product/555/Kryptonite_Kryptochain_And_Padlock and am very much nervous to leave it. ...and it doesn't fit my waist nor frame+rear wheel+normal light post bottom diameter at the same stime.