Wheelbuilding setup

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if i were riding smooth roads i would agree with you, but as well all know londons roads are bumpy and i ride aggressively, so my wheels need re tuing often.

i get the trueness to within a mm and thats it.

I've built 4 wheels, the first with a stand, the others just using forks. All have worked fine, some radial some 3x

<--- that's one of them

all I did for the ones with the forks was use a bit of tape and a bit of card to get better accuracy and flip the wheel over a lot. No real need for a stand unless you are building lots of wheels IMHO.

Just get a good radio station and a spoke key, and if you are doing 3x then get an old wheel to copy from.

i just used a fork still in the frame, the brake was also still attached i would just put the brakepad against the wheel and turn it round if it doesnot hit the brakepad after that its true, and to get the wobble out i used some doublesticky tape and a spoke which i taped on the fork, spin the wheel and if you hear the wheel touching the spoke its not straight

if i were riding smooth roads i would agree with you, but as well all know londons roads are bumpy and i ride aggressively, so my wheels need re tuing often.

i get the trueness to within a mm and thats it.

bad wheel builds in my opinion.

bad wheel builds in my opinion.

thats fucking bolloxs flickwig.

May I suggest a competition?
You fit flickwg's front wheel to your bike and he fits your front wheel.
The first one to taco the wheel they are using is the winner.

a joust?

i have a fork held in a workbench an use a couple of cable ties, flat screwdriver, spoke key, ruler, 3in1 oil to make the nipples easier to turn in the rim and the radio
ive just rebuilt a set of 24s for my lil sisters bike and the satisfaction is well worth the time it took, it took about a hour a wheel to take apart clean lube assemble and true
be patient with it though
This is the second time ive attempted to build a wheel, the first time I got pissed of and just sent it to the shop, I have to work on the wheel 10 mins then leave it for a while then go back to it and so on, other wise I just get frustrated and give up

if i were riding smooth roads i would agree with you, but as well all know londons roads are bumpy and i ride aggressively, so my wheels need re tuing often.

i get the trueness to within a mm and thats it.

my wheels dont need any truing and im...boohooo...agressive rider...
so option A its becuz im a better wheel builder

 option B i use a park pro truing stand
 option C have better components to work with
 option D combination of the above

i really like when people say shit like that you know???? like you can cut threads into threadless forks with a threading die or maybe even a file and a steady hand or that use of a truing stand doesnt affect the wheelbuild quality......
im all for DIY but within reason....
hmmm...why do your wheels keep going outta true???? maybe not enough tension??? so the nipples works themselves loose under loads???
or uneven tension or something like that???

How do you know what is the 'right' spoke tension? This is my main problem when I've ever had to rebuild/true wheels. In the past I've put on too much tension and spokes *have *snapped...

May I suggest a competition?
You fit flickwg's front wheel to your bike and he fits your front wheel.
The first one to taco the wheel they are using is the winner.

i'm riding a trispoke at the moment, so i don't like my odds, however it won't taco so do i actually win?

How do you know what is the 'right' spoke tension? This is my main problem when I've ever had to rebuild/true wheels. In the past I've put on too much tension and spokes *have *snapped...

tension meter or practice

Seem to be a lot of people only building front wheels on here.

option A tesionmeter...which i think makes sense if you build on racing hubs or carbon rims......but basically just the feel......and also if you squeeze the pararel pair of spokes they shouldn't move more that coupla of mils.....depending obviously on the combo of hubs and rims......strangely i have never snapped a spoke.....rounding nipples yes:-)

I ping them,
http://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/tension.htm#pitchtable

against a piano (on my computer)

Minimum you'd need is a cardboard dishing tool, ruler, spoke key, screwdriver (although a nipple-driver is that much better), a pair of forks and a something other than forks to build a rear wheel on (using the frame is ok).
I use a an old bank card with a square cut out of one corner, bulldog clipped to frame/forks to act as a gauge.
A truing stand would be a great thing to have though, a lot less faff I'd reckon..

Im moving out to Italy and doing a build out there from scratch so I can do some long rides whilst I'm out there. It'll be my first wheel build and I can tell its going to be frustrating. But I'm only taking a flat head screwdriver, a spoke key and a whole lotta faith in Sheldons page. Its going get messy . .

EDIT: Especially with Italian radio being shite

How do you know what is the 'right' spoke tension? This is my main problem when I've ever had to rebuild/true wheels. In the past I've put on too much tension and spokes *have *snapped...

i done it by feel
i had a set done by a shop and i just felt the tension on them and built my wheels near enough the same (tension wise)
only time will tell if im any good at building wheels

Seem to be a lot of people only building front wheels on here.

ive built a rear or 2
i think rear are harder because they take most of your weight so have to be built spot on
thats my opinion anyway

How do you know what is the 'right' spoke tension? This is my main problem when I've ever had to rebuild/true wheels. In the past I've put on too much tension and spokes *have *snapped...

What broken said, tensiometer is useful if you build lots of wheels, having said that its £70. Just use feel. I compare tension on another wheel which I know is OK.

Seem to be a lot of people only building front wheels on here.

Assumption based on what evidence?

A jig definitely helps.

Get a truing stand. You'll have no problem selling it again on ebay if you're not going to make more of them. I've put together a page on my site about a minimum toolset. It's not definitive, just the way I work. Will hopefully give you some pointers though.

http://yogarup.com/wheels/tools.php

I'd lend you mine but I have loads of wheels to build at the moment and getting too many enquiries for builds. Good fun trying to keep up though!

have a look at this

Albe's World Record Wheel Build?? on Vimeo

A wheel built in 15 mins, i wonder if thats a record?

15 mins, damn, it takes me a few hours to get a rear wheel true, but i ve only build a few wheels yet, it will probly go faster every time i make a new one

I'd rather take days to build a wheel than look like that tub of lard.