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I hoping I find the knack soon then kowalski!
see what you're saying messenjah on the 13 vs 17 - ive got em on 13 - didnt help that the soles of my shoes were blocking release so i've just carved some sole away which has helped a bit. Seems weird though that you need to be so careful about which shoes work with ATAC pedals - despite cutting the soles they're still not perfect and it means the soles no longer protect the cleats when I walk - have you got any recomendations for MTB shoes that work well with ATAC ROC's? cheers again...really need the advice otherwise I'm gonna have to ditch these and go back to SPDs....in which case look for these soon in the classieds/swap thread!