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^^Yeah but not one who is making a parts bike or "proper fixid gear" on the cheap. I keep seeing vintage frames, carbon stuff and custom frames on the current projects other than the odd Pug project which most of the time is someone's "Pub" i.e. second bike. I suspect the strong majority have spent a fuck load more than people who have bought OTPs. In fact I'd be willing to bet that bar a few, the people with OTPs are the ones who have spent the least amount of money on their bikes.

like I said, what I was talking about is off topic, not related to the original point, it boil down to this;

if you don't have the patience or time, get an OTP

if you do, build one up.

that's it.