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  • Bit of apples to apples needed here, the Genesis is a geared bike isn't it?

    Still also seems to be some thinking that heavier tubes are by default stronger whereas in reality cheaper/heavier tubing will have a lower strength.

    yes, the genesis is a geared bike, the point I was making is that even the cheapest geared road bike is going to be as heavy, or even heavier than a Plug, so for a first timer, the Plug seemed to be reasonably light, I remember lifting one and thinking "actually it's quite light" after years of riding MTB.

    point is, a lots of people whose previous bike was an MTB/cheap geared road bike will find the Plug to be reasonably light (that is, until they held a Langster!).

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