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@Harry.Major
I've got a bike with Phils and a bike with Formulas.
You can tell the difference, the Phils are much better and much nicer. BUT, the formulas aint cack. They are fine. They spin perfectly well, they are strong enough to ride on, smooth. They are perfectly good hubs. Prefer the Phils, but can't afford them for every bike, and for the money the formulas are grande.