David, I may be missing something of what you mean by 'look and feel', but I certainly don't find it clunky at all--in fact, it's precisely been the look and feel (as I understand it) that made me like using the site (obviously not content like hippy's posts).
I like the clean, simple, uncluttered look that I think is vastly superior to every forum I've ever seen.
From my perspective, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(I know that it's fairly predictable that someone would express this opinion, but it's genuinely what I think.)
I don't really settle for "good enough". There is always room for improvement. Whether it be in accessibility, rendering speed, server speed, ease of use.
I loved the social forums bit, to be able to add a feature that allowed people to shape the site as they wanted.
I loathe the header... search is hidden, it should be more visible.
I think when you start a new thread, it should tell you if similar threads exist, and that should be integrated so well that it's not a hack... it's just natural.
I think that whilst the post area is minimalist and nice, that other areas are busy and cluttered... you should be able to choose whether you want the clutter, but default should be minimalist and nice.
The site may be the most usable large forum I know, but that doesn't mean it's the best. The stats may be impressive, but it doesn't mean that there aren't rough edges and details that can't be smoothed out and improved upon.
We all tinker with our bikes, upgrade small things, and get a bit OCD about it, and this is basically the same thing. How to make this site serve us all even better, how to make it even easier to use, how to encourage newbies to search, how to make the content king, how to make it even more effortless for you guys to collaborate on stuff, how to make it more transparent so less bullshit occurs.
I truly think a hell of a lot can be improved, and it can be done in a way that makes the site an even greater pleasure to use. And since I own the site, why not try it?
I figure that I'll set up a second style, we'll work on it in a way that allows people to give us feedback and for you all to see the progress. And the aim will be, to transform the skin of vBulletin into something that really helps improve the forum (and thereby the community) as a whole.
I doubt it will ever be in a state where I think it is good enough. I'm not sure those words exist in my vocab as far as how I approach the things I do. I never stop tinkering and questioning what I've done before.
I don't really settle for "good enough". There is always room for improvement. Whether it be in accessibility, rendering speed, server speed, ease of use.
I loved the social forums bit, to be able to add a feature that allowed people to shape the site as they wanted.
I loathe the header... search is hidden, it should be more visible.
I think when you start a new thread, it should tell you if similar threads exist, and that should be integrated so well that it's not a hack... it's just natural.
I think that whilst the post area is minimalist and nice, that other areas are busy and cluttered... you should be able to choose whether you want the clutter, but default should be minimalist and nice.
The site may be the most usable large forum I know, but that doesn't mean it's the best. The stats may be impressive, but it doesn't mean that there aren't rough edges and details that can't be smoothed out and improved upon.
We all tinker with our bikes, upgrade small things, and get a bit OCD about it, and this is basically the same thing. How to make this site serve us all even better, how to make it even easier to use, how to encourage newbies to search, how to make the content king, how to make it even more effortless for you guys to collaborate on stuff, how to make it more transparent so less bullshit occurs.
I truly think a hell of a lot can be improved, and it can be done in a way that makes the site an even greater pleasure to use. And since I own the site, why not try it?
I figure that I'll set up a second style, we'll work on it in a way that allows people to give us feedback and for you all to see the progress. And the aim will be, to transform the skin of vBulletin into something that really helps improve the forum (and thereby the community) as a whole.
I doubt it will ever be in a state where I think it is good enough. I'm not sure those words exist in my vocab as far as how I approach the things I do. I never stop tinkering and questioning what I've done before.