• And if we are going to talk about total practicalness, why are not talking about panniers?

    Because this isn't C+?

    Paul-Michel, it's good that you've gone to the effort of putting this together, but a lot of the stuff just isn't necessary on a daily basis – you'd probably need one of Scott's biggest bags and the panniers to carry it all. Of course different weather needs different kit, but for the most part, for most people (and I'm not talking about those who search out hills, or add extra miles on their daily ride for the hell of it) need little more than a bike, some lights, tools, a puncture kit, pump and a quality bag to carry it in.

    I read somewhere that the average London cyclist only gets really wet about 12 times a year. Depending on where you work and what you do, you could keep emergency t shirts/socks/pants etc at work and if you really get shit on on the way then you've got something to change into. Going home, who cares? You've got warm stuff and a shower when you get there.

    Proper messenger bags fit you properly, so the 'awkward shape' problem doesn't exist. And maybe you should try one before you judge them!

    Anyway. Cheers for the effort. People will disagree with some of what you said, but there you go.

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