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The "other forum" appears to have gone AWOL but all is set for next Sunday 9:30 Smithfield and 10:30 Roehampton Gate.
BDW has made the sound point that we need more discipline on group rides so as not to kill or lose anyone. When the "other forum" re-emerges, he post about ride etiquette is worth a gander. Perhaps we should have a brief route briefing at Roehampton Gate in any event.
Jim, it was good to meet you. I only discovered days afterwards that you were who you are. Now I know.