Faux ghost bikes

First up, this is nothing to do with BLB, so leave them out of this.

For some one that keeps calling me all the names and saying I'm not a very nice person you are rather rude and offensive. If any arguments that disagree with you are stupid then you must have met alot of stupid people. Stupid and disagree mean different things.

I never called you stupid I called your arguments stupid, which they are. Comparing a Labour MP campaigning for office and an endeavour like ghost bikes is a very poor (or "stupid") comparison. I'm not going to list all of your bad arguments, because I only have an hour for lunch.

Other things I've said have been based on what you yourself wrote, generally about your apathy and your boss' self-interest.

You sir, are the one missing the point.
I get what they do.
The point is that in doing it they fails to promote cycling, and instead positively discourage people from cycling. We need more cyclists on the road so that the governments (local and national) have to consider cyclists needs more because its no longer a tiny majority of people. This in turn leads to laws and directives funded by the treasury to be started, and those force change. Telling people its dangerous, fatal and not good (which is what Ghost bikes do accidently) doesn't help any one. That is of course assuming they work, and don't just fail (as I believe they do).

Yeah, I forgot how the rising numbers of cyclists have encouraged the government to do things to encourage cycling. Like allowing motorbikes in bus lanes.

Ghost bikes (as well as leading to improved cyclist safety through raised awareness of risk among motorists) are a high profile reminder of government policy failings. If the scheme is widespread, do you think any elected body is going to risk a build up of these symbols of their negligence?

So they are a viral. And a memorial. And a charity. And a symbol. I'm confused. What are your ghost bikes?

No, they are akin to a viral. They are a memorial if people want them to be. They are not a charity, although they are a charitable endeavour.

I shall try and explain this to you simply, as it's not a hard concept to grasp. I will use an analogy, a fact that I will state now just to be safe:

The poppy campaign uses the symbol of the poppy as a memorial to people that died in the war. They serve to remind people of what happened (like a viral). The poppy campaign is not for profit, it is run as a charity.

All of the qualities you mentioned are not mutually exclusive.

And why are they so fragile that they are destroyed by an off-white bike with an a-board on it? Why does such a things existence encourage such feeling of hate in you?

1. The bike is - in appearance and position - materially similar to ghost bikes, enough to cause confusion.

2. It is mainly your boss' and your apathy and self interest that has riled me. £4 and 10 minutes is what was asked.

Same could be said of your malice and nastiness to an individual of whome you have never met.

Never met you? We have met actually.

Odd things for someone who likes tolerance. You aren't. You believe you are right, and that people who disagree are "stupid" and peole who don't do as you want should be "punished." Thats almost the definition of intolerance. I severly disagree with ghost bikes. I really fucking do. But I'm not going to wish nasty things on their creators or supporters nor am I going to go and steal or vandalise one.

I've never preached tolerance, it was your arguments that I called stupid (although you have swayed my opinion somewhat). I've heard one solid argument against ghost bikes and it didn't originate from you, although you have tried to repeat it in a slightly less effective way.

And to go back to my point of not caring. I'm no hypocrite.
On NYE the mayor of Croydon died suddenly. He was my teacher at school, my friend and someone I looked up to. It upsets me greatly. It upsets others. People will read the story in the paper and most wont care, and wont be intersted. Thats the way the world works. Its no slight on him or on me. You probably won't really care, though you may post to say you do, but its not going to affect your life. But I also say this as away of explaing why have been a little rash with my replies today. I'm not quite as level headed as I would normaly be.

A friend dies, so your indifference to an effort being made to save lives is nullified? I may not have any great opinion about your friend's death, but I sure as hell wouldn't be ripping off a British Heart Foundation (or whatever) advert to advertise where I worked.