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Who are these scientists who spend all day thinking of the best way to help athletes cheat? Wasn't EPO and CERA the bi-product of medical research? I can't belive that there are scientists sitting in labs researching the best way to help Usain run faster and be undetectable by the governing bodies. It's too cloak and dagger.
Surely the world doesn't work this way.
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http://www.preventdisease.com/news/articles/vo2_max_how_fit_athlete.shtml
Armstrong's reported: 85
He claimed recently he didn't know what it was.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Lance_Armstrong_exclusive_interview_article_273248.html
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http://www.preventdisease.com/news/articles/vo2_max_how_fit_athlete.shtml
Armstrong's reported: 85
It thought it was LA's ability to maintain a higher cadence that was the difference between him and the rest of the peloton??? Vo2 max is just one piece of the jigsaw and besides I'm sure I read somewhere there was a cross country skier who's was over 100.
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Is it plausable the atheletes train on drugs to push their body that much further and remove the drugs to leave just their raw power and the mental belief they are that fast when it comes to the race?
Bolt physically has the lot, huge stride and no weight, but i don't believe he needs drugs in the races, or took them at the olympics, our cycle team won by great margins and there is no questions surrounding them?It's definitely possible. A lot of the doping methods used are undetectable, such as blood doping using your own blood (800 mls of blood is removed and stored then reinjected about 6 weeks later to give you an instant performance boost). The dominance of the Jamaican sprinters at the Olympics would suggest an organised doping regime to me though.
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Who are these scientists who spend all day thinking of the best way to help athletes cheat? Wasn't EPO and CERA the bi-product of medical research? I can't belive that there are scientists sitting in labs researching the best way to help Usain run faster and be undetectable by the governing bodies. It's too cloak and dagger.
Surely the world doesn't work this way.
Go and do a google search on Balco and Victor Conte.
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Who are these scientists who spend all day thinking of the best way to help athletes cheat? Wasn't EPO and CERA the bi-product of medical research? I can't belive that there are scientists sitting in labs researching the best way to help Usain run faster and be undetectable by the governing bodies. It's too cloak and dagger.
Surely the world doesn't work this way.
Michele Ferarri...
Most of the drugs are from medical research, it just so happens that a lot of them will give athletes an advantage if taken. There are doctors who will take drugs designed for one use and try and see if an athletic advantage can be gained. Why? Cash. Big money in sport, even bigger money if you can come up with an untraceable performance enhancer
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It thought it was LA's ability to maintain a higher cadence that was the difference between him and the rest of the peloton??? Vo2 max is just one piece of the jigsaw and besides I'm sure I read somewhere there was a cross country skier who's was over 100.
That's a myth put around by Armstrong and the PR machine he has working for him. He was meant to have returned after cancer 10 kgs lighter than before hence his sudden and dramatic improvement in the high mountains but he was actually the same weight pre and post cancer.
A study by Edward Coyle, which has been discredited by his scientific peers, claims Armstrong's high cadence pedalling style was the secret behind his success. Armstrong was not the first to use a high cadence, nor will he be the last.
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It's definitely possible. A lot of the doping methods used are undetectable, such as blood doping using your own blood (800 mls of blood is removed and stored then reinjected about 6 weeks later to give you an instant performance boost). The dominance of the Jamaican sprinters at the Olympics would suggest an organised doping regime to me though.
+1 to that... Before anyone touts the UK Cyclists, there is a huge difference between the two. There is a very well funded, fairly transparent regime around British Cycling. Very few of the performances are surprises, as they train day in and day out getting every little thing right, which gives them the advantage.
Jamaican sprinting -is it as scientific, as well funded? No -also there's the lack of out of competition testing... looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be athletes on drugs :)
-I know it's speculation, but I can't believe Bolt is clean
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That's a myth put around by Armstrong and the PR machine he has working for him. He was meant to have returned after cancer 10 kgs lighter than before hence his sudden and dramatic improvement in the high mountains but he was actually the same weight pre and post cancer.
His physical build was very different though -he was a lot more 'top heavy' in his tri and pre-cancer days, so that will have helped (most likely he had bigger leg muscles after cancer)
Oh, and the EPO helped too
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He claimed recently he didn't know what it was.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Lance_Armstrong_exclusive_interview_article_273248.htmlThat just means "I'm not telling you my Vo2 max".
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Balco, Conte and Ferrari aren't they all doctors?
Balco's a company run by Conte, who's not a doctor!
Ok -so maybe there aren't labs trying specifically to come up with performance enhancing products, but they don't need to as there's enough out there already!
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In the book he apparantly admitted to use illegal doping products(in front of witnesses) when he was diagnosed with cancer and was seeing a specialist.
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There's also the '99 urine samples that tested positive (allegedly)
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I choose to believe.
Who are these scientists who spend all day thinking of the best way to help athletes cheat? Wasn't EPO and CERA the bi-product of medical research? I can't belive that there are scientists sitting in labs researching the best way to help Usain run faster and be undetectable by the governing bodies. It's too cloak and dagger.
Surely the world doesn't work this way.
This sounds eerily like what many cycling fans said in the 1990s. Loving their sport they simply did not want to believe that it was riddled with drugs, specifically EPO, though the evidence was clear by 95. The Festina scandal of 98 opened a lot of eyes: it did not stop the drug taking. Only the most rigorous testing and, in the last two years, the threat that cycling would lose all it's sponsors - and the riders their jobs - have really had an effect.
Athletics is years and years behind. Just look at the physical shape of sprinters now compared with the 60s; they have classic steroid-users looks. Cycling fans have come to spot the dopers pretty easily: avoid out of competition tests, have dodgy doctors or trainers 'preparing' them, be part of a small training group who all perform above expectation, win their races by unlikely margins.
There is money in winning; doping doctors like Ferrari took a cut of 'their' riders' winnings. The world works exactly that way.
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Is it plausable the atheletes train on drugs to push their body that much further and remove the drugs to leave just their raw power and the mental belief they are that fast when it comes to the race?
Bolt physically has the lot, huge stride and no weight, but i don't believe he needs drugs in the races, or took them at the olympics, our cycle team won by great margins and there is no questions surrounding them?