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oi scrapper - why are you keyword spamming?
'fixed fixie track' my arse.
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OK, Fred that was a little patronising. In the message he spent (sorry wasted) his time sending me on eBay he called them "rear drops" not drop-outs.
So what angle are they, based on what you can see from the photo? And what angle should they be?
je suis désolé. Ils devraient être horizontale.
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Thank you hippy.
I was about to follow up with the comment that from my ancienttwo-wheeled history these are track ends.. not drop-outs.
Drop-outs are so-called for a very obvious reason. This type of stuff riles me.
And all this 'conversion' talk is conjecture and speculation, as I said to DB in my response: "What difference it would make even if it was a converted road frame, provided the 'conversion' had been done by a reputable frame builder?"
I have 3 frames at Mercian for restoration right now, one of which is having the rear brake bridge removed and repositioned to facilitate running 700c wheels with long reach Campag calipers. Mercian's workshop have willingly taken on the job and I trust them. What's to say this hasn't been done here?
I stand by the fact that this is a rideable classic - it's an old English frame, not some robot built badge-engineered Taiwanese thing.
I've used terms like "track" and "messenger" as search terms to enable interested buyers to find the bike when searching. I don't honestly believe anyone buying this will be using it as a track bike in the same way that I don't suppose many Bianchi PISTA's make it onto a track for an entire season.
There is in fact there's another angle to this frame which I supports it legitimacy as original and not converted.
But thanks for actually replying with decent input.
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This would be a good project, probably one of the 753 peugots, looks like a chorus groupset, profil 18 rims, etc.
This is gas pipe, shit parts, but 10 quid less!
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I know that bike!
I saw that one on Rue St Honore
J001 you get around now don't you sunshine
Whats with the bike sales , you moving house?
yes, we're moving house!
and i need thye money
(i don't want to sell it though... hence the high start price, hopefully no one will buy it)i'm keeping the LOOK though !
alleycat saturday
19h allee des cycgnes
(10 euros)
and after party chistole! -
"What difference it would make even if it was a converted road frame, provided the 'conversion' had been done by a reputable frame builder?"
because then it's not a fucking track frame is it darling, it's a road frame with track ends isn't it? 130 spacing, slacker angels (© Condor), drilled for brakes. There for, not a track frame.
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yes, we're moving house!
and i need thye money
(i don't want to sell it though... hence the high start price, hopefully no one will buy it)i'm keeping the LOOK though !
alleycat saturday
19h allee des cycgnes
(10 euros)
and after party chistole!J001 - that nagasawa is beautiful - I kinda hope you can't sell it too - I am working saturday...:(
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because then it's not a fucking track frame is it darling, it's a road frame with track ends isn't it? 130 spacing, slacker angels (© Condor), drilled for brakes. There for, not a track frame.
Absolutely! Not to mention bottom bracket height. If you put track ends on a road frame, that'll reduce the BB shell height even more, making pedal strike more likely.
A track frame isn't just a road frame with different dropouts for God's sake!
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Thank you hippy.
I was about to follow up with the comment that from my ancienttwo-wheeled history these are track ends.. not drop-outs.
Drop-outs are so-called for a very obvious reason. This type of stuff riles me.
And all this 'conversion' talk is conjecture and speculation, as I said to DB in my response: "What difference it would make even if it was a converted road frame, provided the 'conversion' had been done by a reputable frame builder?"
I have 3 frames at Mercian for restoration right now, one of which is having the rear brake bridge removed and repositioned to facilitate running 700c wheels with long reach Campag calipers. Mercian's workshop have willingly taken on the job and I trust them. What's to say this hasn't been done here?
I stand by the fact that this is a rideable classic - it's an old English frame, not some robot built badge-engineered Taiwanese thing.
I've used terms like "track" and "messenger" as search terms to enable interested buyers to find the bike when searching. I don't honestly believe anyone buying this will be using it as a track bike in the same way that I don't suppose many Bianchi PISTA's make it onto a track for an entire season.
There is in fact there's another angle to this frame which I supports it legitimacy as original and not converted.
But thanks for actually replying with decent input.
Dogs has probably built more bikes this year alone (for his own pleasure) than your little business exterprise has built all told. If I was you I would stick around listen and learn. Your copywriting is spot on but if you are going to make money on e-bay you have to be an expert in the product you sell. If had bought that bike for £600 and it arrived with dodgy fucking ends that would be your seller rep up in smoke. Don't take it personal just accept that we know what the fuck we are talking about.
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thanks for the advertising ;)
if anyone wants them let me know I'll sell them off ebay. -
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oi scrapper - why are you keyword spamming?
'fixed fixie track' my arse.
winkI took the Tony Dafoney Marketing class.
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Come on Dwayne, time to 'fess up - what were you really searching for when you found these? ;p
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because then it's not a fucking track frame is it darling, it's a road frame with track ends isn't it? 130 spacing, slacker angels (© Condor), drilled for brakes. There for, not a track frame.
Oh, Gosh, Yes.
I see.
So I suppose I should have listed it as "converted road frame with track ends"? I expect loads of people who want to ride fixed on the road and fancy something that didn't come from Evans would be using that type of terminology in the eBay search box?
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So I suppose I should have listed it as "converted road frame with track ends"? I expect loads of people who want to ride fixed on the road and fancy something that didn't come from Evans would be using that type of terminology in the eBay search box?
It would be more accurate than describing it as a 'proper track frame'. When it isn't. Which is what is generating the flack you're getting. -
You don't have to list it as "converted road frame with track ends" but you should point out in the text what has happened (drops replaced with track ends). It is a nice looking bike and good luck in selling it, BUT, if you sell it as a track bike then that is false advertising. Someone will buy it as a convesion.
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Willo, that is a bit harsh. Paris has come on here to defend the bike he/ she is selling. Wich is fair enough. This is discution about bikes. If this isent the place for it I dont know what is.
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Dogs is right to bring this up. It saves some poor hipster rich kid from spending over the odds on a road converstion. You are breaking ebay rules by listing it as a track bike, and why slag off otp's like the langster?! Just list your stuff truthfully and don't try and influence people. For the record it's a nice conversion but I do think £600 is far too much.
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Not exactly ebay.craigslist, but I just got an email from Tommasini in Americaland with some cheaper frames for sale...
"I wanted to see if you had any friends or family members interested in a Tommasini. I have a few frames here in San Diego that I am offering dealer pricing on for existing customers, friends and family only. It is not an advertised sale and it is not listed on our website – it is completely word of mouth.
Here is what I have available:
- 1 Sintesi
- 2 Velocista’s
- 2 Carbo Machs
- 1 Carbo Fire
- 1 Premier Plus
- 1 Evol, complete bike
You can view the frames at: http://www.ridetommasini.com/instock.html
AND the final price on all the frames will be lower than what is shown on the website. If you have a friend or family member interested please have them contact me and I will provide the total cost which will include all shipping and taxes if applicable."
From a nice lady called Tina at their office in San Diego. All quite pricy, but some very nice frames nonetheless. The Sintesi is the only one with track ends...it's very pretty ;)
- 1 Sintesi
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rear ends, but that is not the point.
the point is that you tryimg to sell a "real" track bike FAIL