A night in the cells

that's fucked up, i spent the night in the cells on my 16th birthday for armed robbery i did not commit, not a nice feeling i know.

where were your bikes locked up?

so weird at the lack of reaction after a hit and run but the total over reaction in your case. i would have thought all they should have to have done is come up and asked you what you were doing. pretty outrageous, good luck with the follow up, you got legal advice?

S Newington (as mentioned above).

First big joke of the thread ! :)

I rate the pun that Ed snuck in earlier:

it work for me when I found an old step-thru frame in good nick that been locked up for 7 months.

Very sorry to hear this, Winston! What a ridiculous arrest. And what a pain to have to follow it up. The whole manner in which you were arrested is just excessive and uncalled-for. As for the dietary thing ...

http://www.vpsg.org/

... it is a known issue. The above site is for vegans particularly but obviously helpful to vegetarians, too.

why is it the only time the cops do anything about bike theft, it's a complete balls-up..

Winston, I don't suppose you've still got the sausages?

Ooooof! Bad luck Winston, thats truly bizzare and very unlucky at the same time.

Give em hell...

I wonder if this actually happens to proper bike thieves.

bad luck winston

I wonder if this actually happens to proper bike thieves.

i very much doubt it, unfortunately, real paperwork for them.

Very sorry to hear this, Winston! What a ridiculous arrest. And what a pain to have to follow it up. **The whole manner in which you were arrested **is just excessive and uncalled-for. As for the dietary thing ...

http://www.vpsg.org/

... it is a known issue. The above site is for vegans particularly but obviously helpful to vegetarians, too.

'arrested' ? didn't know he was arrested . What was the charge and what did his solicitor have to say ?

'arrested' ? didn't know he was arrested . What was the charge and what did his solicitor have to say ?

Can you simply be taken to the cells without having been arrested? Sorry, I was just assuming they had been.

Yes but only if you go voluntarily. To take you there against your will can only be done by arrest. Being arrested does not mean being charged. Charges follow arrests within 24 hours or somewhat longer if they decide to hold you as a terrorist.

hehe Winston, we leave you for a few hours and this is what you get up to. It must be Ted's influence.
It's bad they didn't give you a chance to explain, indeed, but i guess it's good to know they treat things like this seriously. If some scumbag was really stealing my bike i'd be more than happy that they didn't just let him out based on his " but it's my bike ". And good that someone spotted what you guys were doing and reported it ( mean at least there are people out there who keep an eye on bike thiefs if they think they see one )
Get your records off though, you have a right to do it if you are not charged, someone won a court case about this recently and now the law is changed as far as i remember, vague on the details but check it out.

Those coppers - such a funny bunch with their sausage larks! I hope they see the funny side when you make your complaint.

And what sol and fred said. Get yourself off that database. I too can't believe they didn't give you a chance to explain. But then there's just no reasoning with some coppers.

That's what I said, they didn't laugh, the arresting officer refused to give me his badge number and the charge officer went a bright shade of beetroot when I asked how long my written apology would take to arrive....as they released me.

its illegal for them to refuse you their badge number. when i was illegally arrested my mum complained and all we got was a shitty half a page type up of "we're sorry, it wont happen again"

PUTOS POLICIAS

And what sol and fred said. Get yourself off that database.

they'll never remove you from the database, i was nicked when i was 17 and they told me it would be wiped when i turned 18. did it happen of course not. they will do what they want regardless. just look at the poor brazilian that was shot because "they thought he was a terrorist". he probably stepped on their toes and they got pissy and decided to shoot him. cops are cunts no way about it. its just schoolyard bullies in the adult world

Some new rule/law was passed recently though. I think the whole DNA thing is a lot more regulated than it used to be. That could be the rose-tinted specs again though...

they'll never remove you from the database

Yep.

Even with the recent precedent set in the European Court of Human Rights the police / Home Office will not relinquish/it's hold over our rights so easily.

The law as it exists right now means the police can take a DNA sample, you have no rights under British law to get the record removed if you are found to have no charges to face.

Some new rule/law was passed recently though. I think the whole DNA thing is a lot more regulated than it used to be. That could be the rose-tinted specs again though...

Yep ! No new rule, the law has not changed recently, if the police want to arrest you for pretty much anything they can, and if you refuse to supply a DNA sample - despite was has been said in this thread about 'assault' - it will be taken without your consent (you will be restrained as the state removes a small sample of you body for their records).

This extension of the original 2001 ruling (that DNA would not be destroyed in cases found to have no charge to answer) became law in 2004 for England and Wales.

This is so: The UK government have something like 9 months to get back to the ECHR with what they're going to do about the ruling. They acted similarly over the Court's ruling about the defence of 'reasonable chastisement' for violence against children. The Labour gov just made some qualifications to the law about leaving marks, Tony Blair defended punitive violence against children and it is still legal to assault children whereas it is illegal to assault adults.

The fingerprints and DNA samples of more than 857,000 innocent citizens who have been arrested or charged but never convicted of a criminal offence now face deletion from the national DNA database after a landmark ruling by the European court of human rights in Strasbourg.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/05/dna-database-civilliberties

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/05/dna-database-civilliberties

Are you being serious !

Don't expect any changes in British law any time soon with regard to the ruling ! :)

It's all very well us cyclists putting our view over, let's see what the state have to say:

"The existing law will remain in place while we carefully consider the judgement
Jacqui Smith, Home Secretary"

Now. . . . 'careful consideration' here means weeks, months, maybe years of work to reword and rework parts of our criminal justice system so that we can (effectively) ignore these rulings.

My mate snapped his key in his lock once, went to HSS hire and got an angle grinder. He's a teacher type so went to the nearest cop shop to tell em what he was up to. I think they must have thought he was nuts. The sensible fucker got arrested not so long ago for being drunk in charge of a pram though. He told the copper he had beautiful eyes and that was it .

Stoke Newington

I think I was there last night (Will?).
They had a bunch of coppers all over the Tube station and the dude directly in front of me did a great job of getting the sniffer dog's attention..

I think I was there last night (Will?).
They had a bunch of coppers all over the Tube station and the dude directly in front of me did a great job of getting the sniffer dog's attention..

Is that why you started smelling my crotch when you got here?

No, but it does explain all that "fidgeting" I was doing with my hands stuffed into my pockets..