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@GA2G
Antsiou, maybe I'm off-track here, but were you after a strong-framed bike, that wouldn't crumple like your last one did?
A heavier bike is the trade-off, ........but the Surly's are strong indeed.
Let people sneer mate.
My missus is from Internet-Brides. My kids are out of a test tube. And my bikes are OTP.
Fixed.