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@fredtc
to squag:
nah they've been fine so far, they make a small creak occasionally peadaling hard uphill but it might be the hubs or cranks rather than the spokes rubbing on each other. I haven't trued them yet but i can imagine when i have to it will be a fucking pain. I wouldn't choose them myself (at least not on both wheels) but they came on a bike i got off ebay so they're on my new frame