HGV-Cyclist incidents

Hey guys... We're perhaps all seeing a few too many titles sounding like the above at present, but nonetheless, I need your help.

I'm working with a television production company at the minute, and we're looking to make a documentary for Panorama about the number of cyclists getting munched by trucks. Panorama are interested, but it needs to be a nationwide issue for them to take it on board, so at this stage all the recent tragedies in London are not going justify the programme in their eyes; to a lesser extent incidents in Oxford/Cambridge are valid, but not yet seen as representative of a national concern.

So, though we're mainly Londoners on here, I'm asking if anyone knows of incidents in hometowns, through friends elsewhere in the land, etc etc... that could be of use to me, and help get the programme made and a little more awareness raised.

Just to justify myself a bit, I'm a courier, and a fixed rider, and not some snotty-nosed toff hoping to forge a career in media. Which means it's fine to help out.

Thanks very much

Julian

This thread has been stuck... please give help where you can, especially in propagating the message more widely (other cycling forums, blogs, etc) or by responding if you can.

Who was the road(?) champ who was killed whilst out training, earlier this year by a bin lorry?

Also, julianemre, it might be worth looking at/posting on the http://ctc.org.uk/ forum if you haven't all ready.

Jason MacIntyre. Linky

Also why not try the Bike Radar forum:

http://www.bikeradar.com/

They seem to come from all around the country.

Thanks for the reminder villa-ru.

There was a story in the news paper recently about Amy Winehouses father in law being paralysed.

I don't think it mentioned this in the papers, but I think he was knocked off his bike on a country lane by a tracktor near Melton Mowbrey.

Very sad story.

Definitely stick it on www.Bikeradar.com aswell, both in the Road section and the Commuter section. There's been a lot of chat about this subject for the last few weeks.

Maybe you could stick it on www.bikeradar.com too?

This morning I attended the Road Safety Forum organised by the City of London police, at their Snow Hill police station, near Smithfield Market. It was a good meeting, well attended by a range of officers, including at a senior level, plus those responsible for implementation on the streets. There were also representation from Corporation of London and Transport for London.

Among the interesting things I learned was that during a single day of random spot checks of lorries (HGVs) by City of London Police on 30 September this year, every lorry stopped was found to be breaking at least one road safety law.

My notes are pasted below....

The meeting began with five presentations covering a lot of ground including the latest trends in statistics for cyclist deaths and injuries, which have shown an increase from 2000 to 2006 (although this year and last the trend so far looks to be slightly down). Overall, two issues dominated the meeting and both have their own acronyms: HGVs and ASLs. Lorries killing cyclists has been in the news lately following a spate of fatalities on London’s streets. City Police were clearly concerned about this. Sergeant Alan Rickwood, dubbed ’statto’ by one of his colleagues, gave a presentation of the latest figures on collisions involving cyclists and other vulnerable road users. He said he’d share his powerpoint with me and I’ll post it up here as soon as I get it. Two trends struck me from the numbers:

• injuries and fatalities to cyclists peak in the morning rush hour (around 8am) and, to a lesser extent, the evening rush hour (around 5pm). It’s not clear why the morning is worse than the late afternoon/evening.

• the rising numbers of cyclist fatalities and injuries is in contrast with motorcyclists, for whom deaths and injuries have been on on a falling trend since 2000. Again, it was not clear why this is the case, though the Police did mention Ride Safe, a campaign of safety education for motorcyclists that was launched in 2000.

• though the point was never made explicitly, I got the impression that the statistics supported the notion that cyclists are much more often the innocent victim in collisions rather than the guilty party. Motor vehicles changing lanes, opening doors and turning left appeared to be the most common causes of fatalities and injuries to cyclists.

During the Q&A I raised the question of underreporting of minor collisions involving cyclists. I said that while a minor collision involving two motor vehicles would usually end up being recorded by the police, for insurance purposes at the very least, this was not the case for collisions involving cyclists. I recounted my own experience and that of friends of mine that there is a road culture of checking that the cyclist isn’t dead or very seriously injured and then just driving off without any swapping of names, insurance companies or reporting to the police. Inspector Dave Aspinall suggested that unless it is an extremely minor collision it is always a good idea to call the police. In the City of London he said that a police officer could be expected to arrive very rapidly at the scene but said that this was less likely elsewhere in London. As a cyclist involved in a collision it can be very confusing and upsetting. You often get a rush of adrenalin, its not always apparent whether you’ve been injured (especially any concussion) or if the bicycle has been damaged. Inspector Aspinall stressed that any collision in which a motor vehicle causes damage to property or injury to a person is a police matter and that cyclists should not hesitate to call the police to the scene of all but the most innocuous of incidents, even if it isn’t clear what happened or who - if anyone - was to blame.

Turning to the issues of lorries, Inspector Aspinall told the meeting about a day of City of London spot checks on HGVs, carried out on 30 September 2008 as part of the Europe-wide Operation Mermaid, which is intended to step up levels of enforcement of road safety laws in relation to lorries. On this one day, 12 lorries were stopped randomly by City Police. Five of those lorries were involved in the construction work for the 2012 Olympics. All of the twelve lorries were breaking the law in at least one way. Repeat: a 100 per cent criminality rate among small random sample of HGVs on the streets of central London. The offences range included overweight loads (2 cases), mechanical breaches (5 cases), driver hours breaches (5 cases), mobile phone use while driving (2 cases), driving without insurance (2 cases) and no operator license (1 case). In some cases the drivers were given a warning and in other cases there was a more formal police follow up. No information was given on convictions following this operation. Inspector Aspinall said that the London construction vehicle market (skips, cement mixers, construction materials haulage) was very tight and competitive. Shady operators with dubious standards and legality exerted a downward pressure on market prices and that was forcing even the more responsible companies to cut corners in order to win tenders. Some companies were even factoring into their costs the inevitability of a certain number of fines for breaches of the law. I found this revelation shocking.

On Advance Stop Lines (the green boxes at junctions), the police were calling for a change in the law to allow for these to be enforced by camera. As things stand, the City of London police is the only police force that is actually enforcing the law on ASLs (no explanation was given for why the Metropolitan Police was not). The fine is £60 plus 3 points on the driver’s license. Rose Ades from Transport for London said that in many cases it was difficult to enforce ASLs because there is nowhere for police to pull over vehicles that have broken the law - stopping them in the ASL itself would cause congestion and unacceptable delays to other road users, she explained. The use of cameras would allow ASL offenders to be caught and fined in the same way as cameras are used to enforce speed limits and bus lane rules.

City Police and TFL were also calling for a change to the law on ASLs that would allow cyclists to enter ASLs in any way they choose. As things stand, if a cyclist enters an ASL other than via a feeder lane on the left, they are officially breaking the law. As we know, feeder lanes on the left are terribly dangerous in that they lure cyclists along the inside of stationery traffic, and filtering in this way is a major contributory factor towards collisions involving motor vehicles turning left into the path of cyclists. Most of the recent lorry-cyclist fatalities have been caused by a lorry turning left and crushing the cyclist.

One of the Corporation of London’s officials noted that at peak hours cyclists represent as much as 20 per cent of traffic in the City of London. It followed from this that cyclists were important - there is strength in numbers, after all. Mention was made of the ‘annoyance factor’ of cyclists riding on pavements, coming into conflict with pedestrians and running red lights. No statistics were given on whether this was more of perceived danger than a real cause of risk. The usual arguments that cyclists are ’scoring own goals’ by breaking traffic laws were rehearsed. One member of the audience picked up on a recent Police consultation with local people about various forms of anti-social behaviour, which appeared to be encouraging respondents to complain about reckless cyclists. The Police fully admitted the flaws in the consultation and expressed regret for what they said was a sloppy piece of work. The impression was given that a handful of ‘important people’ in the upper echelons of the City of London were very hostile to cyclists and that this may account for some erratic decisions by the City and its Policy.

The Road Safety Forum was attended by around 20 members of the public, several of whom appeared to be involved in road safety and cycling in a professional capacity. While this relatively thin attendance did contribute to a friendly and intimate meeting, there is no doubt that many London cyclists were not represented and - being a public forum - it would be a good thing if more of us were there. Perhaps the 8am time was not convenient - but there was coffee and (warm) croissants served, and the police did seem genuinely keen on developing a constructive and long term dialogue with London’s cyclists. For many of us, our only interaction with the police is at a moment of heightened tension (e.g. at the scene of a collision, being pulled over for a minor road traffic law infraction). This event gave an opportunity for a more civilized exchange of views and I have no doubt that despite a handful of slips in the past the City of London police are well ahead of the Met on taking the right action to reduce the number of cyclists killed or injured on the roads, while encouraging cycling as a solution to London’s chronic transport problems.

Cheers for making this sticky guys.

I just posted on CTC now, spent this morning phoning round all of their nationwide coordinators to find out news, thanks again for the advice, and just thanks in general... weirdly enough, some cycling organisations don't actually like the idea of the programme being made; I reckon they see it as something to scare riders off the roads, rather than seeing it as something to raise awareness and get something done about the crummy treatment we get out there.

Feel free to keep the ideas flowing.

Very informative JackT. Thank you. Where does one find the law on entering the ASL? I have never heard of having to enter the ASL via the feeder lane. Very often I overtake on the right and go into the ASL (if motorbikes and mopeds permit...).

solid post Jack.

Very informative JackT. Thank you. Where does one find the law on entering the ASL? I have never heard of having to enter the ASL via the feeder lane. Very often I overtake on the right and go into the ASL (if motorbikes and mopeds permit...).

If the ASL isn't full of motorbikes and/or the feeder lane full of numpty cyclists unwilling/unable to move into the rest of the ASL.

Great stuff JackT, I'd be happy to attend in future, where can I find published details of future meetings?

Jim Jones

Those would be the numpty cyclists that don't want to fill the whole ASL I guess, that'd include me and most cyclists I know. Why the hell should we when people can just wait a few seconds longer in the filter lane rather than expecting me to start from the far right of a three lane highway with motor vehicles pulling off past me to my left. Vauxhall Bridge junction is a prime example

Not surprised to hear some groups don't want to help you, especially since misrepresentation and lazy journalism seem to follow media interest in non-competitive cycling about like a bad smell (not that I'm suggesting you're going to be ...)

Very informative JackT. Thank you. Where does one find the law on entering the ASL? I have never heard of having to enter the ASL via the feeder lane. Very often I overtake on the right and go into the ASL (if motorbikes and mopeds permit...).

Good question Veevee...Highway code 178 is the only part that I have seen that relates to the ASLs.

Can anyone add to the relevant info?

Jim Jones

Those would be the numpty cyclists that don't want to fill the whole ASL I guess, that'd include me and most cyclists I know. Why the hell should we when people can just wait a few seconds longer in the filter lane rather than expecting me to start from the far right of a three lane highway with motor vehicles pulling off past me to my left. Vauxhall Bridge junction is a prime example

Sorry Littigator, but I agree with Jim here, nothing more annoying and dangerous than getting stuck on the left hand side because cyclists do not know how to use the ASL! It then makes us stuck behind liable to a collision, surely if you ride fixed or ss you have enough balls to fight throught the traffic, and you only have to give enought room to allow other cyclists into the ASL, not asking you to risk life and limb, just a bit of consideration for those behind.

Jim Jones

Those would be the numpty cyclists that don't want to fill the whole ASL I guess, that'd include me and most cyclists I know. Why the hell should we when people can just wait a few seconds longer in the filter lane rather than expecting me to start from the far right of a three lane highway with motor vehicles pulling off past me to my left. Vauxhall Bridge junction is a prime example

It really depends where you are of course but on a lot of occasions cyclists just queue up alongside cars in the filter lane where they are not visible to cars and if at a junction risk being cut across by drivers turning left. It is better to wait behind/ahead of a car rather than alongside it if at a junction.

Quite often the ASLs dont have a feeder lane. Just the box. To be honest I ride into it from wherever I am coming from (the biggest gat the trafic has left me).

Littigator. Waiting in the filter lane on the left is one of the main problems. It puts you at danger from vehicles turning left. If you are in the box in front of the traffic then they can see you. I find I accelarate (along with most other bikes) off the lights faster than the cars and when in front of them they give you time to navigate the junction and get over to the left before they overtake. I find it incredably frustrating when I cant get into the ASL.

I see what your all saying about sitting in the filter lane, and I'm aware of the risk of lorries turning left across me. I wait behind them and don't filter up their inside, I don't think it's quite such a problem if a car beside me wants to turn left I let them ahead of me and then move off, if a car comes from behind and tries to turn left across me he gets a mouthful and my cleat down his paintwork if I have time.

I still think it's a too much to expect those in front of you at lights to filter all the way across a 3 lane ASL. What happens if you approach one and the whole ASL is already full all the way across, you'd wait in the filter lane, so what's the difference?

This morning for example, I was in the middle of an ASL on Embankment, the lights change, the lorry on my left moves off and out accelerates me and I[m left in the middle of the traffic passing me on both sides. What's the best solution? Answers on a postcard to "No I can't cycle faster to out accelerate them!"

Littigator, it sounds like you were not positioned in the middle of your lane and gave the impression to the lorry that you were on the right lane? You need to be either clearly in front of the lorry or way behind it.

But most importantly be patient, you do not have to be at the front of the queue, just stay behind a car and wait for the traffic to move, they will give you more space and when safe position yourself back towards the left.

@Julianmere. Why not have an entire programme on freight and the traffic impacts on city centres, motorways, accidents, noise pollution, operation mermaid etc...

Vauxhall bridge road is the one I had in mind too! It's not always a problem but really annoys me when people start queuing in the feeder lane when the ASL is completely empty and when the first two vehicles in the left hand lane are indicating left, just bad manners. If I have to, I'll filter across to the right, (to allow other cyclists to enter the ASL), I'm perfectly capable of anticpating the lights by a few seconds and filtering left again without getting in the way of motorbikes, who are quicker off the lights or any other traffic.

That said if the ASL is full and there is a vehicle turning left I'll usually hang behind the car in the feeder lane to stop people undertaking the left hand turning vehicle.

This morning for example, I was in the middle of an ASL on Embankment, the lights change, the lorry on my left moves off and out accelerates me and I[m left in the middle of the traffic passing me on both sides. What's the best solution? Answers on a postcard to "No I can't cycle faster to out accelerate them!"

HTFU?

no seriously let him undertake you, then indicate left and the chances are the person behind the lorry will let you into the normal curb huggin position.