• I know that it wasn't intended as such, but the suicide zone version was particularly distasteful to me, as I know that none of the cyclists who have been killed by left-turning lorries intentionally put themselves in harm's way.

    Sorry to oppose your viewpoint, BB, because I'm usually 100% behind your perspective and the actions that you take.

    However, whilst the cyclists who were killed did not intentionally put themselves in harms way, their ignorance of their situation did.

    I agree entirely that drivers of HGVs owe a duty of care to other road users, but at the end of the day we've all got to take care of ourselves and not rely on anyone else.

    Whatever penalties are threatened upon drivers of HGVs, buses, cabs etc, it won't matter to these people as much as it will to us. When the shit hits the fan (and this will be the first moment at which this issue actually hits home for 99% of drivers), only then will those drivers actually give this situation any thought.

    Achieving a sea change in driver attitudes must be seen as a long-term goal.

    Educating individual cyclists to ensure their own safety must surely be a valid short-term goal.

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