Awareness Raising Spoke Cards Campaign Project?

Ok i am going to be contreversial here and say that calling for a ban on HGV's of any sort is bull, and is probably going to result in any sort of campaign looking as though it is coming from pipe dreamers rather than realists. HGV's are the life blood of retail London.

Lorries dont kill people, badly trained driivers do, same as in a car, on a motorbike or on a bicycle, whats needed is better road education

As a former goods driver, i can tell you that any sort of spoke cadr saying Lorries Kill is going to do a lot more worse than good, it will antagonise the drivers more than anything else.

Half the problem with road safety campaigns is they always appear to come from the lunatic fringe of cyclists to the general public, and as such get dismissed as irelevant or to far fetched, and calling for a ban on HGV's is the same shit.

I can see your point. The 'ask' in this text is essentially the same as what the LBMA asked for, starting in 2004. I for one couldn't tell you if these are the top 4 priorities for safer lorry-cyclist interaction. I have to defer to Bill on this as he's the cyclist with the most knowledge on this issue that I know.

As to the HGV ban, I realise that sometimes asking for something too much risks being unrealistic, but I think Bill is right that it's a good strategy to aim high and then compromise. I really don't think it's too much to consider. There are other cities that don't allow 16 wheelers to come hammering through the city centre. A big ask also gets more media attention, if that's a consideration.

I remember when Greenpeace were campaigning for a £25 congestion charge for SUVs. 'They've got no chance', I thought to myself. Had it not been for Ken's latter day sleazing, then it could have happened.

My point is this. What seems like a big ask now, is not necessarily so crazy later. Remember after Dunblane, they went and banned handguns. They'd never have considered it before. I think some people on this forum and elsewhere - and i count myself among them - think that this week something of a Dunbane moment in relation to lorries on London streets. A moment when things change, a window of opportunity.

Maybe that's too much to hope for, but then again, there are a lot of people who have a desire to get up and do something in response to these deaths.

Is there any way to settle this HGV ban question on the forum?

As to the Lorries Kill message, pipwish cleverly recast it as

Lorries Killing Cyclists

which is a statement of fact, rather than a slightly more scaremongering 'Lorries Kill Cyclists'. It's a subtle change I know, but I think a good one.