There goes civilisation...

what i dont get is how you say all this, then say that the bankers who are creating the "must have" culture, and supporting it through agreeing to silly loans are only "doing their job". surely then they must bear some if not most of the burden for the problems and the narrowly avoided meltdown yesterday, therefore surely it is only right that people are angry at them. i find it hard to believe that bankers are nieve, they know exactly what they are getting into, a possibly volitile job with less security at certain times, and a whole lot of responisbility. yeah banker bashing wont bring about the end of these problems, but nothing we say on this thread will effect how the markets look tommorow, so i think its only right that we debate the situation and in turn slag off the majority of bankers, who appear to be rather greedy, useless and self centered.

i didnt say that bankers are creating the must have culture, that is a larger issue with society - bankers operate (and manipulate) within the rules, if anything it is the authorities that draw up and police these rules that should be looked at.

In any large scale financial institution, decision making that can lead to this sort of chrisis rest with only a few heads, and i wont take umbridge to them being referred to as wankers, but the majority of city workers do not make anything like the money, or live the lifestyles that we think, most are just trying to pay the bills like you and me.

You should try working in property were everyone behaves how they think big swinging dicks in the city behave, a la Gordon Gecko (Wall Street 2 out next year by the way . .), when in fact they drive a mini with London Langster Graphics

Proper Wankers!