Vredstein Ricorso, Panaracer Pasela or other gum/skinwall clinchers

Anyone used either of the above? or reccommend something similar, 700X23 or 25 with a retro gumwall look about it.

Michelin Dynamics are good and cheap, get them from Parkers for about £8 each.

I use RS Corsa from Deda TRE. They're an open tubular i.e. they look like tubs, with that all important gum sidewall, but are actually clinchers. The only problem I've had is that they are so nice to skid on that I go through them pretty quickly. There's a review of them here

I use paselas 23 and 28 on different bikes, they're quite hardwearing, grippy and OK for p*******s. I've heard the older-type ones are a bit small, i.e. the old 28s are more like a 25... sjs seem to have both in some sizes. I never skid, so I wouldn't know about that sor. Not cheap mind. Also I think gum looks all grey and mucky as soon as you get brake-compound dribbling all over them in the wet. I guess you just have to clean them. erk. Only a problem if you use a brake or brakes.

Michelin Dynamics are only available in black/black from parkers

Dedas look nice but probably more than I want to spend, I'll look into them a bit further.

Paselas sound promising then.

no one used the Vredsteins then?

Dotbike have them in gumwall http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP2830.aspx?A=8
but ChainReaction are cheaper: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=20416

Veloflex.
The closest clinchers to tubs. Classic Italian hand-made.

anyone seen these tires about?had any experience with them

+1 for veloflex

http://www.probikekit.com/advsearch.php?AQUERY=veloflex&INSTOCK=No&START=0&LIMIT=17

I have a pair of NOS michelin Hi-Lite 23c and 1 19c, folding lightweight skinwall tyres.

I think they were high-end early 90's jobs. look a lot like veloflex, will sell em as Iv decided to only roll on 25c+ from now on.