Stolen or not?

fair play Dogs, you're playing polo with the guy, not having his kids.

Maybe Mike can explain that fencing stolen bikes isn't what he had in mind when he told Carl "find an alternative job or lose a testicle".

It feels like there’s a mob mentality growing here, along with a hatred directed specifically towards Carl, who's name has been bandied about a few times in posts about bike theft in Dalston.

If someone has evidence he’s fencing stolen parts, it would be really useful if you could phone the police (hopefully you'll still have his phone number from the Gum tree ad which lead to recovering stolen parts? If not, Gum tree will have it and the police can retrieve it from them). If he’s as dodgy as suspected/assumed then he’ll likely have previous, and a knock at the door from the old bill will be the last thing he’ll want.

If there's no evidence he's still stealing bikes or buying stolen parts, lets not demonise him by assuming he’s the criminal mastermind behind all thefts in hackney.

It feels like there’s a mob mentality growing here, along with a hatred directed specifically towards Carl, who's name has been bandied about a few times in posts about bike theft in Dalston.

If someone has evidence he’s fencing stolen parts, it would be really useful if you could phone the police (hopefully you'll still have his phone number from the Gum tree ad which lead to recovering stolen parts? If not, Gum tree will have it and the police can retrieve it from them). If he’s as dodgy as suspected/assumed then he’ll likely have previous, and a knock at the door from the old bill will be the last thing he’ll want.

If there's no evidence he's still stealing bikes or buying stolen parts, lets not demonise him by assuming he’s the criminal mastermind behind all thefts in hackney.

Evidence:

all right again then . this is carl. He is not stealing himself but buys of his mates. and how do i know??? cuz when my friends saddle and stem/bar combo was nicked and appeared on gumtree i rang the number and whoala who shows up???? your bruv carl......

so the bikes are junkers,resprayed and equipped with stolen parts.
and the gang he is part of/buys form lives on the de beavuior estate and around thats why the location

Someone whose a self confessed bike thief and fencer has already demonised themselves. Scum need to know that if they are going to fuck around with our bikes then there will be consequences. You need to HTFU if you think that the police powers or the laws of the land as they stand are anything like a deterrent to bike theft.

I'm not suggesting a lynching, or a beating cos i dont want to end up behind bars myself, but a little bit of fear and intimidation goes a long way, as does getting the parts back of the motherfucker.

Problem is some tight jean wearing hipster fop is about the easiest target on 2 wheels - your average hipster looks about as capable of handling themselves as julian clary - maybe its time to change that perception

hey,
a mate of mine told me that this dude carl went to polo in shoreditch and that he was getting stick for saying that he was a thief so i went down a couple of weeks ago and saw carl pass by very quickly as he saw me standing there...i dunno, the kid did sell my stolen bars and stem and saddle. i met him after i got the no. off gumtree realising that all my stuff was coming from the same dude. he was pissed when i accussed him of ripping them off and said he bought them off a mate. he then threatened to 'fuck me up' so me and my friend left without the stuff that he eventually offered for £20. i wasnt that bothered about the stuff just interested as to who was taking it cos im not the first person i know to have lost stuff around dalston. now i know. my friend and i work at a bike shop where carl used to come in and hang around asking questions and checking out values.he recognised my friend but i had just started there so he didnt know me. he tried to come back to the shop but was told to leave.

so whether or not this kid is/was/maybe a wee shite is not the question. the question is do you give a shit? if you do do you deal with it by including him and trying to offer him a better way to spend his time, if you think thats gonna make a difference? or do you exclude him and/or beat the living crap out of him? does any of this solve the problem of bike theft? no, because the problem isnt that bikes are knicked but that our country is shite and we treat each other like crap.

personally, i have enough peace of mind knowing that compared to how much i love and enjoy my life, the people who steal shit off my bike probably have a pretty shit time. i also know that i had the chance to beat the living crap out of one of them and didnt so i personally will be shutting the fuck up.

oh, and the police wouldnt do a single fucking thing. we found my mates stolen bike a while ago and they said they couldnt do shit so we chopped it off the railings ourselves.

hey,

personally, i have enough peace of mind knowing that compared to how much i love and enjoy my life, the people who steal shit off my bike probably have a pretty shit time.

No, their enjoying life using the money they made from stealing the parts off your bike, whilst having a right giggle over how you fucked off when he threatend to "fuck you up", and looking forward to the buzz they will get from their next theft.

The problem isnt that our country is shit - its the greatest place in the world if you get off your ass and go for it, the problem is that were too soft on crime, that our social security system alows cunts to sit on their backsides all day, and that respect from youths has gone out the window because neither the Police or adults can give the fuckers a good hiding when they need it. Its just too easy to get away with it.

If the police have different people calling them with evidence about one person's activity, they have to take some action. There’s a complaints procedure if it’s not completed to a satisfactory level.

If anyone has evidence about anyone nicking bikes, it should be reported. Even if nothing happens immediately, the long-term effect is that bike crime stats rise and it becomes a bigger issue, which demands more policing.

I’m not here to defend Carl. I don’t know for sure if he’s knicking stuff or not. I’m pointing out that there seems to be no evidence that he’s responsible for recent bike theft in hackney, and yet people keep bringing his name up on various threads and then saying he should be threatened or harmed and I think that’s wrong. Lets all stop baying for his blood unless he’s actually proven guilty of something.

The guy knows shitloads about bikes, and he loves building them up. Does anyone actually know for sure he was aware the parts he had on his bike were stolen? He buys and sells bits off his mates all the time. So do I. Maybe you do too. From Ebay? From a friend of a friend? Do you know they're defintetely not nicked, somewhere along the lines?

Yes, he's apparently admitted knicking bikes in the past. Apparently he also said he got caught by the police and doesn't do it now – so maybe the law of the land and police powers did work after all.

I’ve seen Carl kick off when he got angry at polo, threatening to fuck someone else up. He’s a pretty angry dude. I’m sure he won’t give a fuck about ‘a bit of fear and intimidation’; I bet he’s seen plenty of that in his life.

very poetic PWWO!

He buys and sells bits off his mates all the time. So do I. Maybe you do too. From Ebay? From a friend of a friend? Do you know they're defintetely not nicked, somewhere along the lines?

this to me is way more important than giving shit to some kid for being/having been a wee fucker at some point. if people STOP buying stolen shit the market would be greatly reduced. its really easy...if you aren't sure where its' come from don't buy it. yeah, okay, you might have to pay more...or maybe, god forbid, not buy off the internet, but at least you would know you aren't contributing to a big pile of shite.

One thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking is that having Carl playing polo at the Downham Road court is probably saving us from a lot of hassle from the chavs in the estate next door.

Also, if one of my bikes does go missing from around where I live, regardless of who nicked it I've got a damn site better chance of getting it back (albeit for a £50 "finders fee") than a lot of people in the De Beauvoir area.

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