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@skoota
thanks courant, i have stayed of the bike for a couple of days, purely because i had to ferry someone around. I cut the end off of a small sock and pulled that over my knee and also iced it for a small time the other night. It does feel better. SParky that the kind of feeling i'm getting, inflammation almost like you get in your muscles when you've pumped some iron. I get the feeling i skidded a bit too much on the big gear and strained something. As far as something having changed, i change my bikes around a lot so it would be hard to whittle it down, but i'll have a think. Thanks for the advice.