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If the po-po hadn't taken a tumble/bruised his ego your mate woulda probably been OK and got off with a warning... Proves you should either stop at the very first sign of filth or peg it (and keep pegging it) without looking back, not really any justifiable middle ground unless you play the "I didn't hear you shout, Mr Hobby Bobby, Sir" card... That's bad luck tho', sounds like he may get shafted for at least the 80 note fine... :(
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Your friend broke the law.
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Cop meets frenchman, cop loses frenchman, cop finds frenchman again, cop falls over, cop blames frenchman, frenchman falls foul of institutionalised bigotry and is ill equipped to deal with the machinations of the British Jutice System.
It's one of the classics.
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nimhbus - in a nutshell - frog on a bike annoyed a copper by over taking him. said copper decides to pass on advice to cyling frenchy but first tries to stop him, said cheese eating surrender monkey then cycles on at a pace, not really sure he is in the wrong, but does make mistake of cycling on pavement to pass a bus. at this point angry copper has caught up and apprehends the garlic eating suspect. down the station and drastically turns into an episode of Sweeney.. the slaaag gets an £80 for a bunch of made up crimes...
just over 50 words... let me re-write
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one important point to clarify is then when the copper shouted stop did he identify himself as police? ie "stop! police!" if he didn't then your friend still broke the law but as the copper didn't follow correct procedure and identify the command as coming from the police he might be able to use this to justify his running.
It sucks but he really shouldn't have run, leta lone gone onto the pavement. Copper sounds like a wanker but your friend definantly broke the law.
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Racist Cops Target French Terrorist In High-Speed City Chase
Or as the Daily Mail would say; National Heroes Avert French Terrorist Armageddon In Our Beloved Capitol.
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Mr Slain is right, you're friend is gonna get the £80 fine, you wont beat the system unless he was hurt in any way?
i would see a Dr about neck injuries and scratches, get a copy of the arrest sheet, your statement and the Dr's note, put together costs for bike fix and time off work and head to http://www.sellyourinjury.co.uk/
they will send a note to the police and fight for you, worst case you lose £80, best you make a bit of cash from the Police.. -
with the recent tragedy of other French students in mind ...
what he said "Stop! It's the Police!"
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ok, he's not innocent afterall, i can't edit out that word on the title dammit...
can i just say again, i want to focus on the unjust treatment.
just refrain from posting if u're not trying to help people, don't add insult to injury, and let it sink if no one cares to help.
essentially, thee are those of who say, no take them on, go through the proper paths, don't let him get away with this, involve the law, stop it happening to others. it's the noble path.
and there are those of us who say, forget it, walk away, it's going to be an incredibly drawn-out process, no fun at all, lots of sleep lost, lots more dealings with the police, who will obfuscate and obstruct and cause problems at every step. take the fine and don't put yourself in that position again.
having had a few shitty dealings with the police, as a victim of crime, my advice to your french friend is to walk away and put this one down to experience. and don't ride off from the police at high speed leadign to such unjust treatment.
i'm not condoning it, i just don't think he's really got a leg to stand on.
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Contact the police, obtain their official complaints procedure and follow it to the letter for starters.
Also, do all of the written communication for your friend and make sure you spell check and grammar check everything you do. I say this because from the above it's obvious his English isn't fully fluent and it looks better if it is. Also, if you write from a more dispassionate viewpoint, it will appear as if he is "getting help". It'll make the cops adopt a by the book approach in case the help is coming from the legal sector.
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Help! Advice for an innocent brother unjustly treated by the city police
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@edmundane
Well, it's not me, but a very good friend of mine, a french student studying in London.
Maybe the city police do think there's not enough trouble they've got all their cases solved they can start bullying people and causing trouble.
The incident according to himself, if you care to read, a rather long one:
"At a traffic light near London Wall as I saw a red traffic light I slow down, a policeman on bike was there too. The light turned green and the policeman started riding, I followed him and, as I wasn't at a complete stop I passed him without accelerating. Everything was Ok to that point. I heard a voice behind me, unclear. Then 20m further I heard a real shout "STOOOOOOOOPPP!!!!!"........
"I was in panic, I started to sprint, a line was open in front of me, I just sprinted.........
"I passed a roundabout, kept on straight on the avenue, cycle 20 meters on the pedestrian walkway while slowing, after 2 minutes of sprint I started to calm down and thought that I shouldn't have a dangerous cycling in anyway, that I haven't done anything wrong...
"After about a minute of normal relaxed cycling, I looked back, no one behind me, I thought I was secure, happy nothing crazy happened. Suddenly from between 2 cars, the same policeman came out, and a blood rush made me sprint again, I was on the road and he was on the pavement, a metalic pole holding up a street sign was approaching, the policeman grabbed my T-shirt and collided with the metal pole, he was lying down on the floor, his bike on the floor as well, I was scared that he was hurt, I could have run away at that precise moment, but I was petrified at the idea that he was actually crazy enough to run after me and attack me so violently, and now potentially hurt, I wanted to make sure he was OK, and when I saw his face it was just to see his mad face and hin trying to apply his police technics of control over me. A big sporty 40 british man, 90kg, tried to twist my arm, I refused, so I went to the floor, against the wall, showing no resistance nor agressive behavior, he was pressuring me with his knee and trying to twist my arm, I refused to twist my arm, I was very calm, I let him pass me the handcufs, He told me "you are very lucky I didn't point my gun at you! Running like this you could be a terrorist! How can I know?", "if you had just stopped the first time I wouldn't have even fined you, I would have just told you to go more slowly, to be more carefull" and this respectable officer embodies justice in the UK, brilliant...
"10 minutes later I am in the police station. they made jokes about french from each of them, "the french are the best an't they? They all like this", "Tell me young man, all french hate the police right?" provoking me. I ask for a lawyer. I ask for water. They tell me to sit here, wait, "it is a very serious case, we are going to take your fingerprints, photo and DNA", They empty my bag, put my camera out, insinuating I stolen it, ask me where my money comes from, asking me if I do drug deal, etc etc... I am not allowed to go in the cell with my clothes, they give me this grey idiot pyjama, to prevent suicide they say. They take me out of the cell, I face a machine that scans my hand, the fingers one by one, the side of my hand, the lady officer takes some of my skin inside my mouth for DNA, they take pictures of me, I try to smile a little bit, nervous reflex, back in the cell....
" The lawyer is a very nice lady, I explain her this incoherent story, and the policeman wants to charge me for:
crossing the red light : never happenned, I followed him
refusing to stop at a policeman injunction, the first time wasn't clear at all, the second and third time were hysteric. Anyway I was called for something I did not commit, I don't have nothing to do with him.
refusing priority on a roundabout : it was a 2 lines large roundabout, the internal line was taken by a truck going on the right, the external line was free, which I took.
cycling on the pavement : this is true, I cycled around 20 meters on the pedestrian way, to pass a bus, there was no pedestrian, I wasn't fast at all, this happened when I was cycling normally, after the sprint, before he catch me.
I explain here about the problems I had recently (flat burgled twice, nearly caught burglar red handed first time, almost got stabbed), and why I panic, she says that it doesn't matter, that it is a minor incident, I tell her that I have not much money, she advises me to plead guilty and I will probably get out quick with just a ticket, she promises me she's calling the officer to calm him down...
"The officer takes me out of the cell, and announces me proudly that I am going to court, and tells me it is extremely bad as he is accusing me of dangerous cycling : crossing a red light can be charged about £80, dangerous cycling can reach thousands of pounds, aggravateed by "refusing to cooperate with the police", promising. I am lucky enough to learn that today a similar case happened, a cyclist was chased by the police, and while escaping collided a pedestrian that died shortly after (fortunately didn't happen to me). I asked the policeman if his arm is OK, how proud he is, no way "you wouldn't have gone far anyway, I would have catch you", this is how fit he think he is. Financially I am eligible for free lawyer, legally the crime isn't serious enough to be contested, in other words, they can charge me how much they want and I cannot contest, unless I am a genius at defending my case myself, great. They return me all my stuff, I get the officer number "PC590 bishopsgate"...
ok... I understand that he could have been wiser and shouldn't have run away in the first place. So my question is, what can one do if faced with such a case? Any places where to voice concerns other than the IPCC? Trying to get CCTV footage on London Wall to prove that he isn't guilty of jumping the red?
It does almost feel that it's better to just leave it, pay the fines and forget about it, but lately I just can't help but feel that the police are not doing their jobs well enough and simply patronising innocent people. Especially that he passed the copper after the copper saw the green light, and is obvious the copper is being an arsehole. The possible maximum penalty for the crimes my friend was accused sounds ludicrous as well. £80 for jumping a red? up to thousands for "dangerous cycling"?
and it feels to me that telling him that a ped died after a collision with a cyclist is, well, i don't think i can believe them, and is some kind of provocation.