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mike - ha ha, Spitz was where I spent 'the autumn' of my mechanicing days, good workshop and nice bunch of guys in there. Some of the staff bikes are off the scale.
Bill - cheers for the tip, not ridden Donkey Alley but will put that into a hilly rep route I'm working out, Jerningham/Pepys Road are good fun if you happen to be in that area.