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@hassanr
sorry, didn't mean to come off as mean. don't even know why i'm defending them. but if you're gonna talk shit, at least get your shit straight.
and - pros to frame:
very nicely welded/lugged
high quality paint (though attention to detail needs some work - drips in clearcoat, etc)
good price for customness
cons:
shit graphics
horrible model names
dedaccai tubing (never liked the feel of it, personally)
i think they are well made, fairly high quality bikes. so? i still don't have to like em.
(and yes, the curve' on the seatstays really looks just like a bend in the middle)