For Sale: Fixed Stuff For Sale...Velocity Deep V's,Surly Steam Roller,Hatta BB,Dildo Bars....

positive it said £150 when i saw this last night.

How much do you want for the deep v's?

well done lpeg :)

are the deep vees none machined?

how much could i get for some black goldtechs on dt swiss rims?

deep v's are both non-machined. make an offer on them 150 or above, seeing as a new pair from BLB is about 200.

cheers

fuck me, are they really £200?

Let's see :
2 Hubs : £40.

           2 Deep V's : £60.
       Some spokes : £20

Getting ripped off by BLB : Priceless.

i have an overwhelming urge to say FUCK OFF...and I've only had one beer.

FUCK OFF

i have had too much beer

fuck me, are they really £200?

Let's see :
2 Hubs : £40.

           2 Deep V's : £60.
       Some spokes : £20

Getting ripped off by BLB : Priceless.

I think I might set up a stall outside Brick Lane Bikes building wheels.

Got everything I need and the gullible customers dying to be ripped off just flowing past.

enough! KILL HIM! KILL HIM!

How much were you looking for the steamroller?
Im asuming its just the frameset your selling? well plus BB etc.

fuck me, are they really £200?

Let's see :
2 Hubs : £40.

           2 Deep V's : £60.
       Some spokes : £20

Getting ripped off by BLB : Priceless.

Hmm, £20 would indeed get you "some spokes", but seeing as DT swiss double butted spokes now retail at 60p each for silver and 85p for black, you def wouldn't get enough for 2 wheels!!
I must say, i'm not really one for standing up for BLB, although you have to bear in mind workshop labour in a shop will always be more than your mate doing it due to overheads and all that malarky. Average labour price for wheel build in a shop will be £20-£25, so just do the maths!

true true, but they also get everything at trade prices!

lpg is right.

in actual fact, they pay an awful lot less for the parts.

...DT swiss double butted spokes now retail at 60p each for silver and 85p for black, ...

Yeah, I noticed there was a price increase. Weird.

Back in the summer I bought DT swiss competition black at 50p each, then couple weeks ago they've shot up to 80p I think at Brixton Cycles :S

How much for the Hatta BB ?

fuck me, are they really £200?

Let's see :
2 Hubs : £40.
2 Deep V's : £60.
Some spokes : £20
Getting ripped off by BLB : Priceless.

spot on, i charge £10 per wheel to build.

how much for dildo bar btw? $US85 on NJS blogspot.

Hmm, £20 would indeed get you "some spokes", but seeing as DT swiss double butted spokes now retail at 60p each for silver and 85p for black...
Average labour price for wheel build in a shop will be £20-£25, so just do the maths!

Trade on those spokes will be less than 50% of retail, same with the hubs and rims.
Workshop labour can run from £25-60 an hour.
Wheel and bike builds are great for shops, because they get to charge the retail markup + labour - maybe 70% of the wheel price is going to them. I don't begrudge the shops this, because even with this markup, many excellent shops struggle to survive.

What I do have a problem with, is the attitude of the shop management. The mech would have to be very special to be getting more than £7ph, even though the shop can be charging up to 10x this for his/her labour. I don't see how anyone can carry on working in a shop, knowing that this is happening to them. Managers who are extracting 90% of my labour can fuck right off.

The other side is the fleecing of the customer.. if [shopx] are making £100+ on a wheelbuild, then they don't need to be charging for AIR!

Seems like they reap what they sow in both cases.. they end up with mechanics who are so green or demotivated that they use a [pneumatic drill/sledgehammer/toothbrush] as a crank extractor. And customers who have had their cranks [drilled/hammered/brushed] off, or have been charged 50p for air, are very unlikely to come back and happily pay you for wheels. (As we see here.. I doubt that we'd be working out exactly how much profit the shop were making, and joking about directly undercutting them, if they had a good rep with our community.)

very funny as phasergunalex works as a mechanic at a london bike shop ;)

Dildo bars?? Any photo's of them in action?

I want full sex

What I do have a problem with, is the attitude of the shop management. The mech would have to be very special to be getting more than £7ph, even though the shop can be charging up to 10x this for his/her labour. I don't see how anyone can carry on working in a shop, knowing that this is happening to them. Managers who are extracting 90% of my labour can fuck right off.

I can see your point here, but what you have to bear in mind is that the money made from labour time, after paying the mechanic, isn't all profit, as much of it will go toward overheads...i.e. tools and supplies etc. For example, those little cable crimps that pretty much any bike shop will include free are actually supposed to retail (so i discovered recently to my horror!) at around 20p....as i said this is just an example, there are several ways in which money is spent without it being returned directly.I hope this doesn't come across as trying to be picky but this is just how it is.

But yeah as dogsballs states, i do work as a mechanic myself, however, i have managed shops before, therefore having a better understanding of the way money is made within the shop to keep it alive. The fact is, selling new bikes doesn't create a great deal of profit, as mark-ups on bikes are pretty low (depending on manufacturer). The sale of any accesssories is a bonus, but the majority of money made within a bike shop is made in the workshop....i can't see how any bike shop could survive without a fully functioning workshop. So anyway, the point i'm making here is that the profit made from the mechanic(s) plays a huge part in keeping a shop going, well particularly independant shops. I personally think i'm paid adequately for my work, plus i actually really enjoy my job, and there's not many people who can say that?! Again, i hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, this is just my point of view i guess. And of course i can't speak for the BLB mechanics, maybe they are unhappy or unmotivated...but then it is notoriously hard to find a GOOD mechanic who really knows every tool and part inside out.

Anyway, rant over. Sorry. Just want people to see the bigger picture.

p.s. charging for air is indeed fucking criminal!!

phasergunalex pretty much summed it up,
also if your wheels are built by a proffesional they should also have some sort of gaurantee(spelt wrong me thinks) for the quality, most good wheel builders offer a tweak up servive if they are to go out of dish or tru through normal use over a year....but i guess this depend very much on the shop!

phasergunalex pretty much summed it up,
also if your wheels are built by a proffesional they should also have some sort of gaurantee(spelt wrong me thinks) for the quality, most good wheel builders offer a tweak up servive if they are to go out of dish or tru through normal use over a year....but i guess this depend very much on the shop!

professional
guarantee
service
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Hello
After the wheels... almost a year later!! They still available??
Liz

Not fucking likely...