Why does being on a bike in London cause so much conflict? (this time, a jaywalker)

Per your alter ego.

You have lost me now ??!! :)

What is the point your are attempting to make ?

Yeah !

You have lost me now ??!! :)

What is the point your are attempting to make ?

How disingenuous.

Thanks Tynan, I love you.

How disingenuous.

No, really, I do not know what you are trying to say, sorry if I am being thick !?

You have quoted something I said and replied: 'Per your alter ego' ?

I am not sure what the point is you are making ?

What you do not want to do is 'find out she's ok, and keep going' - you want to make the experience of blindly wondering into the road as unpleasant as possible for her so this person is reminded never to do that again.

This refresh your memory?

Thanks Tynan, I love you.

Love you too, see you later at home.

x x x

This refresh your memory?

That is something I wrote, yes, but I still don't understand the point you are driving at ?

Can you not just simply say what it is you are alluding to ?

You've spent this entire thread advocating flying off the handle at peds pour encourager les autres. As I quoted - you advocated exaggerating the situation and making it as unpleasant an experience as possible, so that they remember all the better.

Then when I point out that this is basically advocating intimidation as a form of manipulation - not, as you would have it, a spontaneous, unplanned natural response (which by definition you wouldn't consciously try to embellish) - you accuse me of calling you Hitler.

I thought Fear Up Harsh was a better analogy. It's about the same concept - yelling at people to scare them so that they comply.

Er, dooks, which pool do you use? : S

hopes it isn't the london fields lido

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You've spent this entire thread advocating flying off the handle at peds pour encourager les autres. As I quoted - you advocated exaggerating the situation and making it as unpleasant an experience as possible, so that they remember all the better.

Ah! I see ! Yes, this was basically what I was putting forward, making the action of putting someone's safety at risk an unpleasant experience, not a pleasant one.

Then when I point out that this is basically advocating intimidation as a form of manipulation - not, as you would have it, a spontaneous, unplanned natural response (which by definition you wouldn't consciously try to embellish) - you accuse me of calling you Hitler.

I think the (not entirely serious) Hitler comment was in response to your silly idea that I want so badly to punish the rest of the world for not meeting [my] exacting standards (!)

(Good god !) :D

Anyhow, like I say this is going nowhere.

If someone is careless enough to walk out into the road I will likely shout at them, if this happens to you, you may take a different approach, that's just about the whole of the situation. You may, if you want, attempt to present my view as 'punishing the world, social engineering, scaring people into compliance, tantamount to interrogation and so on, but I don't see it as anything other than people getting pissed off at stupid recklessness.

Anyhow, stay safe, no hard feelings :)

Yours,

Adolf.

*Wheels, slayer of men, eater of virgins: * Ah! I see ! Yes, this was basically what I was putting forward, making the action of putting someone's safety at risk an unpleasant experience, not a pleasant one.

Yes, well no, but yes, I completely disagree ! Pedestrians are like religion, we must worship them. Death to the non - believer !

*Wheels, son of Satan, King of the underworld: * if someone is careless to walk out into the road I will likely shout at them

HEATHEN! HEATHEN!

yay! what i enjoy doing is riding along and as you pass bus stops, people are always standing out trying to wave downa taxi or bus with their hand up in the air, so i try to high-five them! :-)

Inspirational!

Hehe, I do the same thing.

Or when they are waving down taxi's I'm like "Oh, hi... how are ya." as I pull up beside them. Confuses them and frustrates the taxi, but is dead funny. Honest. You've got to be there I guess.

yay! what i enjoy doing is riding along and as you pass bus stops, people are always standing out trying to wave down a taxi or bus with their hand up in the air, so i try to high-five them! :-)

Ha ha ha! I thought that was just me, glad I'm not the only one. It's especially funny to do that to tourists, man does it confuse them.

If you make riding around London a game, then it's far less stressful.

Er, dooks, which pool do you use? : S

hopes it isn't the london fields lido

haha nope. ironmonger row baths mostly.

hey just for the record i did a good solid hour without yelling at anyone last night.

then on my way in this morning i hit a bloke on kilburn high road. he had run out in front of a lorry that was pulling away from some lights as i was coming up the inside of it. i just managed to get my foot down without falling into some roadworks. neither of us were hurt i don't think. he was obviously shaken though. i managed to restrict the rage to muttering "twat" under my breath. he said "sorry" and i just rode off.

oh and then - on the strand also this morning, i jummped some lights at a ped crossing that had just gone red. there was no-one crossing from the left so the people crossing from the right hadn't even reached the island in the middle. in short i was miles from them. as i cycled away a bloke in a spivvy suit walked out into the road deliberately and tried to stand in front of me as i tried to go round him he shouted "they apply to you too" at me and tried to get right in my face. what a dick. anyway - i just thought of this thread, smiled to myself and carried on.

Depends on the sitch. Sometimes I smile and wave..
Sometimes I'll yell until my lungs are on the ground.
Sometimes I'll kill them and sell their organs on ebay's organ auction.
I don't do Zen. I don't do hold it in. I'm an angry person and if someone fucks with my safety they can expect to be told about it. If not, I'm too tired or drunk to care and they get a free attempted murder.

[concerned]@ dooks - I hope you don't make a habit of riding up the inside of lorries.[/concerned]

oh and then - on the strand also this morning, i jummped some lights at a ped crossing that had just gone red. there was no-one crossing from the left so the people crossing from the right hadn't even reached the island in the middle. in short i was miles from them. as i cycled away a bloke in a spivvy suit walked out into the road deliberately and tried to stand in front of me as i tried to go round him he shouted "they apply to you too" at me and tried to get right in my face. what a dick. anyway - i just thought of this thread, smiled to myself and carried on.

hmm i have only gotten agro off peds when i had a green light and they where jay walking, one tried to stick his umbrella in my spokes, a good swift kick sent the umbrella down bayswater road. he was yelling "red light", my response was "yeah for you"

on the strand also this morning, i jummped some lights at a ped crossing that had just gone red. there was no-one crossing from the left so the people crossing from the right hadn't even reached the island in the middle. in short i was miles from them. as i cycled away a bloke in a spivvy suit walked out into the road deliberately and tried to stand in front of me as i tried to go round him he shouted "they apply to you too" at me and tried to get right in my face.

ha ha soo true I find on the Strand if there's stationery traffic, and a pedestrian crossing, there will be someone on the crossing 100% of the time, whether the light is red or not.

in fact, when I ride on the Strand, I always sit right back on the saddle because it is entirely luck whether or not you hit someone walking in front of a bus. If you sit back on the saddle you're more stable at least. I also kind of zig zag (while checking over my shoulder). If you are carving, it's much easier to stop/go round idiot pedestrians than if you ride in a straight line. Also it means if you hit anyone, the (tougher) side of your body will take the impact, instead of your front wheel. But you have to be very careful about motorcyclists and cyclists coming up silently behind you and not expecting you to ride in a zig-zag.

be particularly careful when the theatres are closing too, i find (about 9). Lots and lots of elderly tourists. It is actually safer to ride on the pavement on the south side of the Strand at this time, I find.

i actually sent a guy flying on the strand once.

ha ha soo true I find on the Strand if there's *stationery *traffic, and a pedestrian crossing, there will be someone on the crossing 100% of the time, whether the light is red or not.

i actually sent a guy flying on the strand once.

E for envelope, A for ambulance...

E for envelope, A for ambulance...

I always use 'a' for adjective.

'e' for envelope is good though :)

Yeah, A for adjective is much better, I'll use that from now. After all, ambulances aren't always stationary (thankfully for us).

jaywalking isn't an offense in the UK. Peds have more right to be on the roads than cars.