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• #52
Need to keep "fashion journalists" who just recycle press releases for a living out of the news section.
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• #53
exactly. how is this news?
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• #54
yeah, exactly.
page 16? you'd expect rubbish like that to be in the deep pages of a weekend supplement.
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• #55
the observer is a tabloid paper masquerading as something more noble. it's a crock of shit. the article even has an emotive tabloid headline. quite how they can even aspire to be vaguely left wing whilst running various food/fashion monthly supplements is beyond me. assholes. this article ticks all the boxes anyway.
(i edited this bit that was here because i realised i got out of the bed wrong side)
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• #56
Alice Fisher, I hope you and your friends enjoy your gastro pub sunday lunch, and that you can bask in the warm glowing warming glow of your smugness at being so damn street.
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• #57
we're getting there
google 'Alice Fisher Observer' and this thread is page 2.
More naming and shaming please!
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• #58
i quite like her. i bet she sleeps soundly. she's like a mini-barbara ellen, or one of the other righteous bourgeios scumbags that write the words of death.
honestly. they're all private school educated retards, sitting there smugly believing the myth of meritocracy, whilst suckling at the diseased teat of nepotism and privelege.
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• #59
tomasito
Alice Fisher, I hope you and your friends enjoy your gastro pub sunday lunch, and that you can bask in the warm glowing warming glow of your smugness at being so damn street.
ha! nice work...did i mention Alice fisher of the observer?
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• #60
aidan [quote]tomasito
Alice Fisher, I hope you and your friends enjoy your gastro pub sunday lunch, and that you can bask in the warm glowing warming glow of your smugness at being so damn street.
ha! nice work...did i mention Alice fisher?[/quote]
surely not THE alice fisher from the OBSERVER? famous for lazy, intellectually bankrupt journalism?
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• #61
alice fisher? THE alice fisher? not the other alice fisher, you know, the alice fisher that people mistake for the other alice fisher…
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• #62
Nope, I can't see the family resemblance (but it must've been dad who made her such an authority on bikes)...
(they do look equally smug though)
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• #63
its funny how the vast majority of articles you read concerning whatever you personally are into and know about, seem completely retarded? whenever I read about for example weed, videogames, cycling, and metal (hehe my main interests) in mainstream press, the articles are always poorly researched pieces of crap...wtf
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• #64
you have Alice Fisher of the observer to thank for that...she writes all the articles you listed
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• #65
one wonders how alice fisher got the job in the first place?
and again it's the use of "craze" that particularly does my nut in. and it seems intuitively retarded to think that it all came from jamaica though if anyone can correct me with hard facts I'll listen
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• #66
well you can't forget the observer. you must thank alice fisher and the observer. both names. alice fisher. and observer.
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• #67
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• #68
It doesn't matter (yet) if this page comes up on page two of a google search for Alice Fisher Observer as the Observer article by Alice Fisher is the third link to come up on the first page.
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• #69
She has a part-time job at BLB, mainly doing the angle-grinding jobs.
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• #70
the-smiling-buddha Its a misnomer that journalists provide news and information their primary purpose is to provide entertainment. It is always worth remembering that when speaking to journalists that they have no professional obligation to report the truth.
Could I qualify this? Journalists in the mainstream media are under those kinds of pressures. Outside the MSM there are quite a lot of us journalists out there who are under a professional obligation to discover and report the truth, and we do our best to meet that obligation.
Ta.
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• #71
alice fisher observer
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• #72
out of curiosity, why did you guys talk to her? lesson learned i guess... do not talk to the media about your subculture. they'll always get it wrong. we went through this with skateboarding ("skateboarders destroy public property!") and snowboarding ("danger on the slopes!"). nothing against newspapers/magazines, but the mainstream media tends to sensationalise. i have lots of friends who are writers, but there's certain things i'd never agree to interview about or to give quotes to because i know the story would just piss me off and ultimately, we don't need the attention. no?
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• #73
h2o [quote]the-smiling-buddha Its a misnomer that journalists provide news and information their primary purpose is to provide entertainment. It is always worth remembering that when speaking to journalists that they have no professional obligation to report the truth.
Could I qualify this? Journalists in the mainstream media are under those kinds of pressures. Outside the MSM there are quite a lot of us journalists out there who are under a professional obligation to discover and report the truth, and we do our best to meet that obligation.
Ta.[/quote]
For the record, do you think journalists under a professional obligation to discover and report the truth also feel a sense of moral obligation? Or is morality too subjective, hence the professional code of conduct. I just wondered if it was like the Hypocratic Oath or something...
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• #74
To a greater or lesser extent, yes - most journalists I have worked with feel morally obliged, though they don't always live up to the standard, being but human and operating under very tight deadlines.
In the MSM it gets very difficult as journos there are very aware that the way you frame a story has an impact on what people take away from it, but that they also have to sell papers and so have an incentive to sensationalize. You can get some wonderful reporting in the MSM sometimes but rather a lot is dross because of that.
You also have to remember that most sources have a vested interest in getting their version of events across, and so most journalists are a bit stand-offish to demands to phrase something a different way. In this case - especially given what type of article it was - I think Fisher was bang out of line in leading with the brakeless nonsense and not listening to Roxy, but you'd be surprised how many sources want to rewrite your article for you. If you're writing anything of financial or political import, that can be very dangerous.
I'm rambling now...
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• #75
what a load of wank.
it's all wrong, it's all bollocks and does no good for any kind of cycling.
very shit. not sure if you can blame the journo, as she's not researched it fully but that's probably the same amount that she does for any article.
but I might have to insist that she undresses in public as recompense for the huge holes in that article.Track cycling anyone?
oh, no west indian couriers mate, that's where it all started.
soooo
Anyone got a decent geared bike for sale?
Fixiewang!